Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor?

[Fumes]

Yes, maybe. I don't know about 60%... might be 59.95 on sale. But the difference is statistically significant, I believe. The 1495 Connoisseur pack is a great way to experiment. None of them are better than the EcSu that the 1495 normally has, but they're all good.

[Dunkel]

Not sure about the percentage, but if you've smoked a DPG JJ and a DPG JJ Maduro you'll know there's a huge difference.

ive only had a few of these situations...one that i learned alot from tho was the Rocky Patel vintage 1992 and 1990...the 92 has an Ecuadorean Sumatra wrapper and the 90 has a maduro wrapper on it...very different tasting. both are two of my favorite old smokes tho!

[wayner123]

While I believe the wrapper can affect the taste of a cigar dramatically, I only believe it does this in certain cases.

The 1495 Connoisseur series was a great idea. I have smoked through a couple of them now. There is a huge difference in some of the blends, mainly the brazil vs the conn. But that again is very specific. I mean you are taking a filler blend and changing to a whole new wrapper of different origin, composition, etc. Ratio of filler to RG (a robusto vs a corona) the change can be noticeable, but then again that's a pretty major change.

Where as in a box of the same cigars, the difference in color or slight variation of a wrapper tends to be negligible.

[akumushi]

Originally Posted by wayner123

While I believe the wrapper can affect the taste of a cigar dramatically, I only believe it does this in certain cases.

The 1495 Connoisseur series was a great idea. I have smoked through a couple of them now. There is a huge difference in some of the blends, mainly the brazil vs the conn. But that again is very specific. I mean you are taking a filler blend and changing to a whole new wrapper of different origin, composition, etc. Ratio of filler to RG (a robusto vs a corona) the change can be noticeable, but then again that's a pretty major change.

Where as in a box of the same cigars, the difference in color or slight variation of a wrapper tends to be negligible.

Originally Posted by nomadicwookie

I've never smoked the same cigar with a different wrapper before so I don't have a comparison. It's got do be something like 99% of the tobacco in a cigar is the filler though. How is it that such a small amount of tobacco contributes to the bulk of the flavor?

Fortunately for you, an easy test has just arrived! Rick Rodriguez of La Gloria was at Town and Country Cigars in Euless Texas last week showing off his new cigar, Artesanos de Tabaqueros. You have to see this thing to believe it-first third of the cigar has a Connecticut Shade wrapper, the rest has a Sumatra wrapper. The two are so closely butted together it almost looks seamless. Tasty, too! Though I will confess I preferred the Sumatra part...really shows you how the wrapper provides the flavor. It DEFINITELY tastes like two completely different cigars!

cjf says check it out: http://www.teamlagloria.com/2010/04/07/680/

Originally Posted by tomc3084

Wow , that is actually a great Idea....I am going to do this sometime in the near future....Ill post it here

Went to the CAO LX2 "tasting" event last year-fascinating! They provided us with tasting kits-three separate small cigars made entirely of a single one of the types of tobacco in the LX2, then a fourth with all three in the blend. Interesting how different the tobaccos were before the blend.

I wouldn't mind going to something like that again.

cjf

You don't have to go out and buy anything, or even the same two cigars with different wrappers. If you want to know what a difference a wrapper makes, or even what different wrappers taste like (Cameroon vs Nicaraguan Corojo vs Conn Broadleaf etc) take your favorite cigar, a few of them. Take wrappers off other cigars and put them on this cigar that you know backwards and forwards. You will see that it makes a world of difference. Try a Tat Red wrapper on a VSG cigar, pretty tasty! The Cameroon wrapper on a AF Anejo not so good.

I don't know why but the top wrappers provides most of the taste, it doesn't really make sense to me but its true. Take a wrapper off a cigar, say a wrapper of a above mentioned cigar Pepin JJ. Start smoking a cheaper cigar like a H Upmann Maduro. About halfway though the smoke put the JJ wrapper straight over the maduro wrapper. You won't believe the difference and the fact that the maduro flavor disappears but its still on the cigar.

I know all this sounds nuts but it can be fun and you are learning about cigars. I have done a many in the past including making a culebra out of 3 Oliva V lanceros.

Three Oliva V Lanceros


The 3 wrappers that came off


Putting new wrappers back on, one is a maduro, one double habano, one a habano and conn barber poll


The three cigars wrapped back up


And the final culebra

[Lucky_Hippo]

You can always try a shaggy foot cigar just to see how much flavor can be in a wrapper. The first few draws will be only filler. Once the burn reaches the wrapper leaf you get a totally differnt experience.

[lightning9191]

Originally Posted by tx_tuff

And the final culebra

Did you roll those Frank? Those look pretty good.

Originally Posted by lightning9191

Did you roll those Frank? Those look pretty good.

I changed the wrappers (something I have done before) and then bended them together into the Culebra. Had to get them pretty wet to do it. Then they set for about 6 months. Me my wife and my friend who married us smoked them on my wedding night. They smoked prefect.

[kaisersozei]

Originally Posted by Psojka RP,601

ive only had a few of these situations...one that i learned alot from tho was the Rocky Patel vintage 1992 and 1990...the 92 has an Ecuadorean Sumatra wrapper and the 90 has a maduro wrapper on it...very different tasting. both are two of my favorite old smokes tho!

I came in here to suggest those, as well as the Padron x000 line that was mentioned. I'm not sure, but I believe the RP Edge series (Maduro vs Corojo vs Sumatra) is a similar experience.

Originally Posted by tx_tuff

I changed the wrappers (something I have done before) and then bended them together into the Culebra. Had to get them pretty wet to do it. Then they set for about 6 months. Me my wife and my friend who married us smoked them on my wedding night. They smoked prefect.

That's awesome!