any problems with keeping cigars at 77F

[mukky]

Originally Posted by floydpink

I'm curious as to whether or not ANY cigars in the southern hemisphere ever see temps BELOW 77....

I understand what your getting at, and I kind of agree with this. Hopin someone has some insight into this. The countries where cigars are made are very warm. Good chance alot of our cigars have been sittin in hot places for a good amount of time. From my understanding, some companies freeze the cigars to take care of any beetles, so should it really matter what temp our smokes are stored at? Lookin for any insight into this.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by mukky

I understand what your getting at, and I kind of agree with this. Hopin someone has some insight into this. The countries where cigars are made are very warm. Good chance alot of our cigars have been sittin in hot places for a good amount of time. From my understanding, some companies freeze the cigars to take care of any beetles, so should it really matter what temp our smokes are stored at? Lookin for any insight into this.

In theory, that should take care of any possible eggs, larve. pupae or beetles up until that point. In theory because sometimes things don't work out like planned, maybe a box misses getting frozen, maybe a whole lot of boxes miss getting frozen, maybe something doesn't happen like it's supposed to during the freezing. For the most part though, it's reliable when applied properly and dilligently. And not all manufacturers freeze.

Now, those cigars could still be exposed and reinfested at any time in the future, say in transit or a vendor humidor. Or even in one of our humidors and then sent out as a gift or trade before we discover the problem with our stash.

[mukky]

Originally Posted by T.G

In theory, that should take care of any possible eggs, larve. pupae or beetles up until that point. In theory because sometimes things don't work out like planned, maybe a box misses getting frozen, maybe a whole lot of boxes miss getting frozen, maybe something doesn't happen like it's supposed to during the freezing. For the most part though, it's reliable when applied properly and dilligently. And not all manufacturers freeze.

Now, those cigars could still be exposed and reinfested at any time in the future, say in transit or a vendor humidor. Or even in one of our humidors and then sent out as a gift or trade before we discover the problem with our stash.

makes sense. Thanks

[floydpink]

What I'm saying is you'll find very few vinotemps in cigar stores if you ever have the opportunity to travel through the Carribean or South America.

What you'll normally see is an open air cafe and often times sea sponge used as a humidor credo in modest cigar stores and a ceiling fan circulating very warm air through the room. (think Hemingway in Havana)

Now , if you go to Havana Humidor on Paradise Island, you'll have a nice airconditioned room to go with the soft leather couches, but in the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua and other places where power blackouts are a daily occurance, you won't find many rooms under 77 degrees.

I'm also saying for those of us who live in warm climates year round, I don't know any who keep their houses below 77 for very long unless they have no care about electric bills.

Not saying cigar beetles don't exist, I'm saying some people get a little obsessive about a few degrees and should probably relax.

Then again, it's your cigars, go ahead and freeze them if you want. Beetlemania!!!

[Smokin Gator]

Originally Posted by floydpink

Not saying cigar beetles don't exist, I'm saying some people get a little obsessive about a few degrees and should probably relax.

That would be me and it is exactly why I have a cooled humi.

Now on the realistic side... I have always wondered about exactly what you considered... How do we ever get a stick that is not beetle hole ridden since there is bound to be less than optimal conditions in many places where cigars are rolled and stored?

[markem]

I like this thread - it has been educational, in more ways than one, to read.

It seems to me that beetles are a low probability, but that hatching only occurs after a sustained time above a pretty much undefined number that may or may not be in the mid-to-high 70s with a possible correlation to the humidity. After 30 years of storing and smoking Cuban cigars, that's all I've managed to glean.

Presently, I allow my cigars to get to the mid-70s a during the summer, since I set my air conditioning at 74* and it gets a little hotter upstairs. So far, no problems and I do not freeze or take any post-buy precautions.

My experience is that I have not had beetles from mid-70s temps, but that's just me. Others may experience different results.

But then, that's what I've read here already, so my post is merely a "me too"