Starting to like wine...the Red version

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Go ahead and comment, as I'd like to hear your opinion, despite the fact that it apparently disagrees not only to my own, but also to every customer to whom I have sold this particular wine . . .

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Austrailian wine in general tastes too manipulated either by too much extraction, high alcohol, and almost all lack any terrior. They taste like concocted wine syrup. Mollydooker really typifies this new world style- which I am not a fan of. I am not singling out Mollydooker specifically, but lump it into with other Aussies like Thorne Clarke and Ball Buster…

My favorite Aussie and one I would point customers to is Torbreck’s “Woodcutter’s Reserve” Shiraz. Actually, Torbreck I would put on the top for mass produced Aussie wine.

Is Bud Light more acceptable as a beer just because it is outselling Anchor, Dogfish, and Dale’s? Certainly it is more acceptable to the bottom line of the balance sheet, but not as a fine beer.

You may sell more Wild Irish Rose than Petrus, but it does not legitimate Wild Irish Rose a contender in best wine prize.

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I have no idea, but I would guess 12%?

Try 15.6%

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Try 15.6%

Holy Sh**!

Knowing how traditional wine was made back then, that must have been a blockbuster! Hence it's staying power today. Wines of similar alcohol today do not have the natural acid or tannin to balance it.

[Stick]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.
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PPS. Start the PIF.

It's against the rules:

Originally Posted by poker

Some (not all) items we do not allow in PIF's, MAW's, WTS/WTB/WTT are

Guns and or weapons
Alcohol
Drugs
(you get the idea right?)

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Moses, it doesn't look we're getting through, seems like for some people here buying wine based on some arbitrary point score in a wine rag is good enough (do they buy cigars same way?).

I keep saying same thing you are about manipulation of wine in OZ, via huge expenditures into chem labs, and no, no one believes even though there is plenty of factual info available if one wants to explore (or is in business like I am and has to know what the competitors are up to). OX wineries are not shy about it, Yellow Tail is the prime example.

Inability of even seasoned palates to ID wines in a blind tastings consistently is a well documented fact by now yet it seems we now have 2 for 2 (second person in two weeks) claiming can easily do so. Even Parker makes mistakes in blind tastings he himself sets up and yet we have posters here who can. I guess they also have a nice bridge collection by now, too.

Recommending wines that do not even exist ("You Lie!") and then throwing a hissy fit when called on it.

So, I am attacked on the 3 points above, call the obvious bluff and chest beating, and then attacked some more in response. ("Gold, Jerry, it's gold!")

FUNNY...
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Spekaing of alcohol, do you recall what alc level is that legendary 1947 Petrus?

Riddick,

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?
Also you keep harping on the blind tasting....all wine of the same varietal that is from different areas, called AVA's, have distinct differences in taste. That is why I stated its like comparing apples and oranges.


Why not relax and smoke a cigar and mellow out

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Again I will ask what wine I recomended that does not exist?

For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

Do you even read your own posts? Or rather, BOASTS?

Whatever...

[Mugen910]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Do you even read your own posts? Or rather, BOASTS?

Whatever...

Oh yeah? Your momma is so fat.....



OK stop...either cut the crap or take it to PM because this is not benefiting ME! A bit of ribbing is fine here and there as long as people understand it's all in good humor.

Can we start a Newbie Must Try list of wines? What would you suggest in making such a list?

Oh and why do I need a special glass for wine or port? I noticed that drinking 10yr old taylorfladgate (sp) out of a glass cup (moses is going to kill me) did not take nearly as good as when it was consumed out of a special glass.

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Sorry CA Cab...

And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.

Originally Posted by bobarian

And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.

...says the Napa resident.

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by bobarian

And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.

It was a typo that got got carried away...lets not revisit it