H.R. 45 firearm registration bill

Rabidsquirrel · 02-24-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

And this would help how? The bad guys aren't known for following the existing rules, why would they follow new ones?

Yes, I realize if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. It doesn't mean we have to make it easy for them to get them. If you choke off the easy supply, eventually things will begin to calm down.

And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

Kreth · 02-24-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

I think the main objection is that all of this stuff is covered by existing laws. Why should I have to jump through hoops to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

M1903A1 · 02-24-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

Yes, I realize if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. It doesn't mean we have to make it easy for them to get them. If you choke off the easy supply, eventually things will begin to calm down.

There is no choking off the "easy supply". We can't even keep drugs from crossing the borders.

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And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

Suppose it gets stolen (say from a storage unit) and you don't find out until more than 72 hours later?

Rabidsquirrel · 02-24-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by M1903A1

There is no choking off the "easy supply". We can't even keep drugs from crossing the borders.

So you're ok with straw purchases than?

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Originally Posted by M1903A1

Suppose it gets stolen (say from a storage unit) and you don't find out until more than 72 hours later?

It doesn't say the moment it gets stolen. It's when you find out about it.

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Originally Posted by Kreth

I think the main objection is that all of this stuff is covered by existing laws.

That I wasn't aware of.

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Originally Posted by Kreth

Why should I have to jump through hoops to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

DrDubzz · 02-24-2009, 09:06 PM

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

blugill · 02-24-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

Amen

02-25-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blugill

Amen

Amen 2X

alley00p · 02-24-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

There are over 20,000 firearm laws in this country now (Federal State and Local), and MOST are not enforced to their full extent due to criminal lawyers cutting deals regarding the possesion of handguns by those with felonies and other restrictions!

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.

This law won't keep a criminal from procuring or carrying a handgun - but it will keep honest citizens from doing that.

That's my

- YMMV!

Starchild · 02-24-2009, 10:16 PM

Well said

MarkinAZ · 02-24-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alley00p

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.
That's my

- YMMV!

And that my friend is what it is eventually all about, "National Gun Registration" for the eventual confiscation of your firearm.

Its not gonna be allowed to occur in my opinion period!!

BigAl_SC · 02-25-2009, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alley00p

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.

This law won't keep a criminal from procuring or carrying a handgun - but it will keep honest citizens from doing that.

That is 100% the reason for this bill. This will register the guns of the law abiding citizens and not of the criminals that do not follow the law now. By stopping the sale from law abiding citizen to law abiding citizen (ie. gun show sales, newspaper sales, gun club member to gun club member), the government creates a registry that can be used when ever they wish. They will worry about the criminals with guns when they are the only ones left with them. Seems to me to have the priorities backward.

Genetic Defect · 02-24-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

ande passing laws does what for criminals? When did they start following laws?

white_s2k · 02-24-2009, 11:46 PM

The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive.

Genetic Defect · 02-24-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive.

I wish they could rise

02-25-2009, 11:16 AM

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I wish they could rise

They are us.

Silound · 02-24-2009, 11:58 PM

I'm all for a more thorough registration and sale system, I'm not for paying for it with my taxes.

Honestly, it should have been mandated a long time ago that to own a firearm you must also have an up-to-date state/federal registration in your name for the firearm you own. Nothing more than what we do now with license plates for cars. Just to prevent people from skirting through loopholes in laws that the special advocate groups insist on so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.

Edit to add that I'm not a gun-control nut by any means. I have many firearms, and while I don't want Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder and telling me what I can and cannot do with them, I'd prefer to share that information with the government to prevent some people from obtaining firearms for reasons that are no good.

Thrak · 02-25-2009, 06:21 AM

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so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.

Thats already illegal, we dont need more laws to make it "more" illegal. Its called a straw purchase.

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DrDubzz Formerly RX2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: England Posts: 2,203 Trading: (34)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

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Starchild SERENITY NOW! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andre Location: Fernandina Beach, Fl Posts: 553 Trading: (11)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill Well said

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white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive. __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

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Silound ex-CS Swamp Gorilla Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Somewhere in a swamp, south of sanity Posts: 802 Trading: (15)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill I'm all for a more thorough registration and sale system, I'm not for paying for it with my taxes. Honestly, it should have been mandated a long time ago that to own a firearm you must also have an up-to-date state/federal registration in your name for the firearm you own. Nothing more than what we do now with license plates for cars. Just to prevent people from skirting through loopholes in laws that the special advocate groups insist on so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon. Edit to add that I'm not a gun-control nut by any means. I have many firearms, and while I don't want Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder and telling me what I can and cannot do with them, I'd prefer to share that information with the government to prevent some people from obtaining firearms for reasons that are no good. __________________ Back in black, and better than ever! You can't keep a good gorilla down! LSU Geaux Tigers!