H.R. 45 firearm registration bill

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Thrak

This bill is a bunch of crap... as if there isnt more important things to worry about sheesh. Just another power grab...

I doubt you'd say the same thing if you lived in Philadelphia and you were a cop. I forget how many we've buried this year already, 3?

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I doubt you'd say the same thing if you lived in Philadelphia and you were a cop. I forget how many we've buried this year already, 3?

And this would help how? The bad guys aren't known for following the existing rules, why would they follow new ones?

[elderboy02]

I think this bill is a bunch of BS.

Originally Posted by elderboy02

I think this bill is a bunch of BS.

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Kreth

And this would help how? The bad guys aren't known for following the existing rules, why would they follow new ones?

Yes, I realize if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. It doesn't mean we have to make it easy for them to get them. If you choke off the easy supply, eventually things will begin to calm down.

And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

I think the main objection is that all of this stuff is covered by existing laws. Why should I have to jump through hoops to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

[M1903A1]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

Yes, I realize if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. It doesn't mean we have to make it easy for them to get them. If you choke off the easy supply, eventually things will begin to calm down.

There is no choking off the "easy supply". We can't even keep drugs from crossing the borders.

And why is it a bad thing to report that your gun was lost or stolen? I don't see why anyone would balk at this, other than to cause trouble.

Suppose it gets stolen (say from a storage unit) and you don't find out until more than 72 hours later?

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by M1903A1

There is no choking off the "easy supply". We can't even keep drugs from crossing the borders.

So you're ok with straw purchases than?

Originally Posted by M1903A1

Suppose it gets stolen (say from a storage unit) and you don't find out until more than 72 hours later?

It doesn't say the moment it gets stolen. It's when you find out about it.

Originally Posted by Kreth

I think the main objection is that all of this stuff is covered by existing laws.

That I wasn't aware of.

Originally Posted by Kreth

Why should I have to jump through hoops to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

[DrDubzz]

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

[blugill]

Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

Amen

[alley00p]

Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

There are over 20,000 firearm laws in this country now (Federal State and Local), and MOST are not enforced to their full extent due to criminal lawyers cutting deals regarding the possesion of handguns by those with felonies and other restrictions!

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.

This law won't keep a criminal from procuring or carrying a handgun - but it will keep honest citizens from doing that.

That's my - YMMV!

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

ande passing laws does what for criminals? When did they start following laws?

[white_s2k]

The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive.

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I doubt you'd say the same thing if you lived in Philadelphia and you were a cop. I forget how many we've buried this year already, 3?

Yea the cops are too busy shooting their dogs around Monkey county.
They just don't want to compete?

edit: the story
http://www.timesherald.com/articles/...a983617874.txt

[G G]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I doubt you'd say the same thing if you lived in Philadelphia and you were a cop. I forget how many we've buried this year already, 3?

Most of the criminals are not buying them legally now, and they wont with a new law. They are not going to follow the law, they will still buy them on the street.

And I am sorry to hear about the three brave men that have died because of thugs.

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Most of the criminals are not buying them legally now, and they wont with a new law. They are not going to follow the law, they will still buy them on the street.

Of course they won't legally buy them. The get their family/wives/girlfriends to legally buy them and give them to them.

I don't need people to keep telling me that criminals don't follow the law. They're called criminals for a reason, I realize that. If you crack down on the people that willingly give known criminals a handgun, it's a start.

[Sauer Grapes]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

Of course they won't legally buy them. The get their family/wives/girlfriends to legally buy them and give them to them.

I don't need people to keep telling me that criminals don't follow the law. They're called criminals for a reason, I realize that. If you crack down on the people that willingly give known criminals a handgun, it's a start.

There is no way for their family/wives/girlfriends to legally buy them and give them to them. In doing so, they have lied on a federal form and committed at least two felonies. Any straw purchase is an illegal purchase through fraud and therefore those guns weren't purchased legally. You pretty much just gave ANOTHER example of how criminals will find a way to get a gun. At what point do we stop punishing the law abiding citizens?

As I see it, there are two options.

1) take all guns (criminals will still have them, but there will be less around for sure)

2) enforce the current laws with very strict punishments, ones that some will even call too much. Of course, that'll never fly because we protect criminals in this country because "it's not their fault" and "it's society's fault." Seriously, IMO, if a convicted felon is found in possession of a firearm, I think it should be mandatory life in prison.

[M1903A1]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I doubt you'd say the same thing if you lived in Philadelphia and you were a cop. I forget how many we've buried this year already, 3?

I regard gun control as the social equivalent of slapping a band-aid on cancer, or trying to patch the rotten wood of a house that's gone bad because nobody's doing (or willing to do) the necessary upkeep. It's a looks-good-feels-good-accomplishes-nothing approach to a circumstance where serious examination shows that the real solution is much more difficult.