How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Post - Page 2

01-13-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by md4958

you guys are really making it difficult and less fun for me to bust Shawn's balls... but thanks for the info!

I was initially going to post in degrees Kelvin but I was worried some crazy inmate would put his cigars in the oven.

-20C = 253K

skibumdc · 01-13-2009, 07:47 AM

I don't freeze, but keep my vino and coolers at or below 60 in winter and 65 during summer.

Langod · 01-13-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverFox

I was initially going to post in degrees Kelvin but I was worried some crazy inmate would put his cigars in the oven.

-20C = 253K

LOL -- so what's the life expectancy of the beetle (or Inmate) at Absolute Zero?

Cigarcop · 01-13-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by md4958

you guys are really making it difficult and less fun for me to bust Shawn's balls... but thanks for the info!

Thats it Moe..............."No Soup For You"

md4958 · 01-13-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverFox

I was initially going to post in degrees Kelvin but I was worried some crazy inmate would put his cigars in the oven.

-20C = 253K

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Originally Posted by Cigarcop

Thats it Moe..............."No Soup For You"

wayner123 · 01-13-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverFox

No eggs will not survive see the first portion of the table in red above showing how long at what temp to kill eggs.

I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?

md4958 · 01-13-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner123

I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?

perhaps they were not frozen for a long enough period?

wayner123 · 01-13-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by md4958

perhaps they were not frozen for a long enough period?

I used the exact method that SilverFox laid out the first time. And the second time they were frozen for 96 hours (4 days).

rack04 · 01-13-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner123

I used the exact method that SilverFox laid out the first time. And the second time they were frozen for 96 hours (4 days).

Could the bettle have come from other sticks? Maybe after you froze?

wayner123 · 01-13-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rack04

Could the bettle have come from other sticks? Maybe after you froze?

That's the only thing I can think of. But I freeze everything now. Incoming from BOTL's and bought sticks. If it did come from some other stick, I didn't see any holes in another cigar. I checked every single cigar.

14holestogie · 01-13-2009, 09:27 AM

Good post, Shawn. I was always somewhat ambivalent to freezing, until I found one of my sticks (a tubo, no less) with a beetle hole. All stock then went through the freeze and all incoming continues to. I love all my BOTL/SOTL, but still, I don't know where your stuff's been. I do after I freeze them.

ActionAndy · 01-13-2009, 09:43 AM

That box of Padrons is a nightmare...

01-13-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Good post, Shawn. I was always somewhat ambivalent to freezing, until I found one of my sticks (a tubo, no less) with a beetle hole. All stock then went through the freeze and all incoming continues to. I love all my BOTL/SOTL, but still, I don't know where your stuff's been. I do after I freeze them.

Are we going to have to start considering cigar condoms?

SmokinApe · 01-13-2009, 12:51 PM

I was getting ready to smoke a stick that I was bombed when I noticed a small hole... Inside the hole were tunnels with 3 beetles...

01-13-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wayner123

I have to disagree with you here. I personally have had eggs hatch after freezing twice.

I know you and I have had discussion before about this subject. After you showed me before the information you had, I accepted it and have had no problems. But a couple weeks ago, I had a run in again with a beetle. I know these sticks were frozen and the particular stick was frozen twice. Maybe I am the exception

Any thoughts on how this happened?

While I believe in the study I don't have any doubt that what you say is true.

Which leads me to believe that your beetles are somewhere else, perhaps in your humi? Maybe they are indigenous to your area? Do you frequent a B&M that might have them?

Knowing your penchant for research Wayne I am assuming you have thought of these things already.

01-13-2009, 02:20 PM

I two have had a beetle outbreak twice and I freeze everything that comes in, I haven't had a problem sense I started this.. Only difference is I throw them directly into the freezer first..

bonjing · 01-13-2009, 02:27 PM

ok i have to ask, is there anyway to screw-up freezing cigars? like not taking out enough air, to many cigars in a bag?

are there any extra precautions i should take? i know the instructions are straight forward, but somehow i can find a way to screw it up. i think will try it out first on one cigar.

01-13-2009, 04:56 PM

Some articles say freezing cracks the microscopic eggs , others say it just makes live larvae and beetles die and the eggs go dormant. There are studies done after multiple freezings , then being exposed to high temps and the cigars have been overrun by beetles. Theres also studies where microwaves were used to kill the eggs and some eggs survived. Personally i dont know maybe these bastards survive all extremes like roaches, but if i see any infestation i wont hestitate to fuk them, eye for an eye i say

md4958 · 01-13-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK08

but if i see any infestation i wont hestitate to fuk them,

hey, if it fits, go for it!

01-13-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958

hey, if it fits, go for it!

Who's a bad little beetle , yes u are , yes u are **rub, rub rub** LOL

01-13-2009, 07:47 AM	#22
skibumdc That's what she said Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Balco Location: Smoke Less, Age More Posts: 345 Trading: (8)	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long I don't freeze, but keep my vino and coolers at or below 60 in winter and 65 during summer. __________________ The Dude abides

01-13-2009, 09:27 AM	#31
14holestogie Serial banter killer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Clintonville, WI Posts: 4,341 Trading: (52)	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Good post, Shawn. I was always somewhat ambivalent to freezing, until I found one of my sticks (a tubo, no less) with a beetle hole. All stock then went through the freeze and all incoming continues to. I love all my BOTL/SOTL, but still, I don't know where your stuff's been. I do after I freeze them.

01-13-2009, 09:43 AM	#32
ActionAndy Dayman, Master of Karate Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Andy Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 671 Trading: (7)	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long That box of Padrons is a nightmare...

01-13-2009, 12:51 PM	#34
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long I was getting ready to smoke a stick that I was bombed when I noticed a small hole... Inside the hole were tunnels with 3 beetles...

01-13-2009, 02:20 PM	#36
BDC Guest Posts: n/a	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long I two have had a beetle outbreak twice and I freeze everything that comes in, I haven't had a problem sense I started this.. Only difference is I throw them directly into the freezer first..

01-13-2009, 02:27 PM	#37
bonjing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,023 Trading: (39)	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long ok i have to ask, is there anyway to screw-up freezing cigars? like not taking out enough air, to many cigars in a bag? are there any extra precautions i should take? i know the instructions are straight forward, but somehow i can find a way to screw it up. i think will try it out first on one cigar. Last edited by bonjing; 01-13-2009 at 02:35 PM.

01-13-2009, 04:56 PM	#38
TDK08 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: How to Freeze and the Science behind it. Long Some articles say freezing cracks the microscopic eggs , others say it just makes live larvae and beetles die and the eggs go dormant. There are studies done after multiple freezings , then being exposed to high temps and the cigars have been overrun by beetles. Theres also studies where microwaves were used to kill the eggs and some eggs survived. Personally i dont know maybe these bastards survive all extremes like roaches, but if i see any infestation i wont hestitate to fuk them, eye for an eye i say