The Taste of Seco

alfredo_buscatti · 05-11-2011, 08:07 AM

I used to think all cigars tasted the same, and now, in my 8th month of cigar smoking, I still do, to some extent; that is there is some component in cigars that make them taste like cigars.

Now this doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the myriad tastes conferred by wrapper and leaf; each cigar tastes the way its been blended.

But something is the same, and as a cigar can't burn without seco, I'm wondering if that's what gives cigars an at least similar taste.

Stinky · 05-11-2011, 10:14 AM

The one unique difference that separates cigar tobacco from all other tobacco is:

FERMENTATION

Pipe tobacco is not. Chew is not. Cigarette tobacco is not. Only Cigar Tobacco. Seco is just one type of cigar tobacco. They are all fermented. And, the different tobaccos, different leaves, different priming's, etc. are each fermented differently.

NCRadioMan · 05-11-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alfredo_buscatti

a cigar can't burn without seco,

Where in the world did you learn this?

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Originally Posted by Stinky

Pipe tobacco is not. Chew is not. Cigarette tobacco is not. Only Cigar Tobacco. Seco is just one type of cigar tobacco. They are all fermented. And, the different tobaccos, different leaves, different priming's, etc. are each fermented differently.

Yes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco's, and cigarette tobaccos are all fermented. 99% of tobacco that is consumed is cured and fermented.

awsmith4 · 05-11-2011, 10:29 AM

I think it is the use of tobacco in cigars that make them all have similar tastes...

CigarNut · 05-11-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by awsmith4

I think it is the use of tobacco in cigars that make them all have similar tastes...

LasciviousXXX · 05-11-2011, 10:54 AM

This whole thread makes me go

Am I just reading it wrong? Maybe the OP could clarify for us

BTcigars · 05-11-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by awsmith4

I think it is the use of tobacco in cigars that make them all have similar tastes...

A simple but true explanation!

Cigars are going to taste the same to some degree because they are cigars. The different tobaccos give it different proprieties for example, try smoking a corojo wrapped cigar along with a maduro. If you smoke them at the same time you will notice the differences.

Where the tobacco was grown also makes a difference. Tobacco from Nicaragua is the strongest on earth so the more powerful cigars out there (JdN Dart Antano and Cain F) use Nica ligero for it's strength.

All in all, the differences can be subtle and the more you smoke the more you will educate your palate. Again I recommend smoking two different cigars at once so that you can spot the noticeable differences right away. Hope this helps.

NCRadioMan · 05-11-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BTcigars

Tobacco from Nicaragua is the strongest on earth

It may be the strongest used in cigars but Nica baccy is not the strongest in the world. That would be Mapacho (sacred tobacco) from the Amazon.

jjirons69 · 05-11-2011, 11:19 AM

I'm with Tyr.

I think the question is - cigars taste like cigars, and why?

The one thing I notice, any time I'm around someone smoking a cigar, it always smell like a cigar. Never like a cigarette nor like a pipe. Pipes and cigarettes are the same. None really smell like each other and each is distinguishable. But then you run across someone with a Black and Mild and it smells sort of like a pipe and a little like a cigar (they are made with pipe tobacco which helps that theory).

T.G · 05-11-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jjirons69

I'm with Tyr.

I think the question is - cigars taste like cigars, and why?

The one thing I notice, any time I'm around someone smoking a cigar, it always smell like a cigar. Never like a cigarette nor like a pipe. Pipes and cigarettes are the same. None really smell like each other and each is distinguishable. But then you run across someone with a Black and Mild and it smells sort of like a pipe and a little like a cigar (they are made with pipe tobacco which helps that theory).

Of course - not only are different varieties of tobacco used, the processing methods and treatments are totally different.

landhoney · 05-11-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That would be Mapacho (sacred tobacco) from the Amazon.

Mmmmmmmm sacred tobacooooooooo!!! hmhhhhhh!!

Thanks Tom!

sam a · 05-11-2011, 12:25 PM

i'm not really clear on if i understand the question... but it does look like the OP is confusing seco and volado. not that the volado used makes all cigars taste the same or similar, but volado is the leaf that is most used for it's burn qualities.

icehog3 · 05-11-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It may be the strongest used in cigars but Nica baccy is not the strongest in the world. That would be Mapacho (sacred tobacco) from the Amazon.

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Originally Posted by landhoney

Mmmmmmmm sacred tobacooooooooo!!! hmhhhhhh!!

Thanks Tom!

No doubt!, Greg, got a source??

massphatness · 05-11-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

No doubt!, Greg, got a source??

I might know a guy who grows stuff hydroponically, Tom. I'm sure he'd label it as Mapacho for you. Lemme know!

T.G · 05-11-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sam a

i'm not really clear on if i understand the question... but it does look like the OP is confusing seco and volado. not that the volado used makes all cigars taste the same or similar, but volado is the leaf that is most used for it's burn qualities.

Semantics that depend on the country.

In Cuba and the DR - volado is the name of the lowest priming groups. In Central American countries, seco is the name given to the lowest priming.

Cuba/DR - top down: ligero, seco, volado
Nicarauga, Honduras, etc - top down: ligero, viso, seco

Not every Central American cigar has seco in it. In fact many don't.
There are less island cigars that lack volado, but they do exist.

sam a · 05-11-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Cuba/DR - top down: ligero, seco, volado
Nicarauga, Honduras, etc - top down: ligero, viso, seco

interesting.. i wasn't aware that they called things differently outside of cuba, that is kinda confusing. thanks for the info.

T.G · 05-11-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sam a

interesting.. i wasn't aware that they called things differently outside of cuba, that is kinda confusing. thanks for the info.

Welcome. The differences don't stop at the names either, there are many other differences in blending, placement of tobacco and construction, etc.

icehog3 · 05-11-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by massphatness

I might know a guy who grows stuff hydroponically, Tom. I'm sure he'd label it as Mapacho for you. Lemme know!

Vin! I'm IN!!

BTcigars · 05-11-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It may be the strongest used in cigars but Nica baccy is not the strongest in the world. That would be Mapacho (sacred tobacco) from the Amazon.

I stand corrected....why did you have to mention the whole "sacred tobacco" part....something else I am going to obsess about getting now

alfredo_buscatti · 05-12-2011, 02:20 PM

http://tobacconistuniversity.org/ima...ed-resized.png

is the URL for a diagram of a Criollo plant showing from bottom to top, volado, capote, seco and ligero.

It is from there that I got the idea about seco, as well as watching some cigar rolling video wherein the roller said you always need seco, as it is what helps the cigar to burn.

05-11-2011, 08:07 AM	#1
alfredo_buscatti Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 277 Trading: (9)	The Taste of Seco I used to think all cigars tasted the same, and now, in my 8th month of cigar smoking, I still do, to some extent; that is there is some component in cigars that make them taste like cigars. Now this doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the myriad tastes conferred by wrapper and leaf; each cigar tastes the way its been blended. But something is the same, and as a cigar can't burn without seco, I'm wondering if that's what gives cigars an at least similar taste.

05-11-2011, 10:14 AM	#2
Stinky Join CigarRights.org NOW! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Stinky Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 229 Trading: (1)	Re: The Taste of Seco The one unique difference that separates cigar tobacco from all other tobacco is: FERMENTATION Pipe tobacco is not. Chew is not. Cigarette tobacco is not. Only Cigar Tobacco. Seco is just one type of cigar tobacco. They are all fermented. And, the different tobaccos, different leaves, different priming's, etc. are each fermented differently. __________________ Promoting the Enjoyment of Fine Cigars!

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LasciviousXXX Team of 11...Always Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Týr Location: New Orleans Posts: 4,579 Trading: (8)	Re: The Taste of Seco This whole thread makes me go Am I just reading it wrong? Maybe the OP could clarify for us

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jjirons69 Haberdasher Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jamie Location: Chucktown, SC Posts: 4,120 Trading: (94)	Re: The Taste of Seco I'm with Tyr. I think the question is - cigars taste like cigars, and why? The one thing I notice, any time I'm around someone smoking a cigar, it always smell like a cigar. Never like a cigarette nor like a pipe. Pipes and cigarettes are the same. None really smell like each other and each is distinguishable. But then you run across someone with a Black and Mild and it smells sort of like a pipe and a little like a cigar (they are made with pipe tobacco which helps that theory). __________________ Somebody has to go back and get a chitload of dimes

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sam a ... .. . Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: planit earf Posts: 160 Trading: (2)	Re: The Taste of Seco i'm not really clear on if i understand the question... but it does look like the OP is confusing seco and volado. not that the volado used makes all cigars taste the same or similar, but volado is the leaf that is most used for it's burn qualities. __________________

05-12-2011, 02:20 PM	#20
alfredo_buscatti Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 277 Trading: (9)	Re: The Taste of Seco http://tobacconistuniversity.org/ima...ed-resized.png is the URL for a diagram of a Criollo plant showing from bottom to top, volado, capote, seco and ligero. It is from there that I got the idea about seco, as well as watching some cigar rolling video wherein the roller said you always need seco, as it is what helps the cigar to burn.