PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper

Smokin Gator · 01-03-2009, 07:49 AM

Why in the heck do they dye wrappers? I swear I will NEVER buy another Edge maduro or any other cigar that stains my fingers.

Rant off...

Jbailey · 01-03-2009, 08:08 AM

I have no idea about the dyed wrappers, but I'm with you on never buying another one.

NCRadioMan · 01-03-2009, 12:19 PM

I think one reason is that the wrappers they use are not the prettiest things and probably are not uniform in color and Americans always want something that appears to be perfect. It's the same with apples. Those nice shiny red ones you see at the store are, for the most part, dyed to make them "pretty" to the consumer.

Texan in Mexico · 01-03-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

I think one reason is that the wrappers they use are not the prettiest things and probably are not uniform in color and Americans always want something that appears to be perfect. It's the same with apples. Those nice shiny red ones you see at the store are, for the most part, dyed to make them "pretty" to the consumer.

The dyed wrapper also makes it appear as if it is a stronger cigar to the average smoker. I still enjoy the ´92 but I have to admit the quality of RP smokes has gone down the last few years.

borndead1 · 01-03-2009, 12:37 PM

There are very few cigar makers that DON'T enhance their maduro wrappers in some way. I've smoked Anejos and a Padron 80th that stained my fingers, and pitch-black cheapo bundles that didn't stain my fingers. Guess it depends on how well they "enhance" the wrappers. The worst I've ever had was an Olde World Reserve maduro. I could rub my fingers together and the residue would flake off like dirt.

duckmanco · 01-03-2009, 01:45 PM

Give the 601 bp maduro a shot if u have not yet ....no dye on those wrappers

SmokinApe · 01-03-2009, 01:50 PM

dye = BS...

01-03-2009, 02:01 PM

I agree with the "dye" being used on the cigars,,,I don't like it one bit but I just can't stop smoking the Edge Maduro,,it tastes good. Forgive me but I must smoke them all.

Starscream · 01-03-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigary

I agree with the "dye" being used on the cigars,,,I don't like it one bit but I just can't stop smoking the Edge Maduro,,it tastes good. Forgive me but I must smoke them all.

I don't care if they're dyed or not as long as they taste good

TripleF · 02-19-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigary

I agree with the "dye" being used on the cigars,,,I don't like it one bit but I just can't stop smoking the Edge Maduro,,it tastes good. Forgive me but I must smoke them all.

Here! Here!

hotreds · 02-19-2009, 09:23 AM

Most annoying- kinda scared me a bit- had me spitting like I was chewing!

Sauer Grapes · 02-19-2009, 04:41 PM

A CAO Maduro stained my fingers and lips once. That cigar didn't even last an inch before I tossed that crap out.

02-19-2009, 05:28 PM

those damn PR's. stealing hubcaps and what not.

02-19-2009, 07:22 PM

From those reps and tobacco types I've spoken to, the wrappers that are cooked are the ones that normally rub off. Apparently the dyes usually hold pretty well. Just what I've been told, I'd like to see if it were true first hand but the only manufacturer I know that I can walk into his factory quickly doesn't use cooked or dyed leaves.

RGD. · 02-19-2009, 10:08 PM

I would like to inject a note for thought also - "cooking" the leaves to accelerate the fermentation process which naturally produces oily sugary wrappers, manufacturers will also add sugar. So although dye may be added, don't be so quick to judge. Saliva and/or combined with heat can and will cause the sugar/oils to be pulled from the wrapper.

I'm a maduro fan. So no doubt I have had my fair share of dye induced wrappers - I don't get stains. I don't wet, lick or otherwise slobber on my cigars - dry lips I guess.

Anyway - just something for thought.

Ron

TomHagen · 02-19-2009, 10:20 PM

This topic always freaks me out. I find the dyes/cooking/sugar gross. I want to be smoking tobacco and that is IT!
I find CC's to be the most genuine (no proof), cause they don't have so many different "new" products (ex. RP), no money to invest in additives, seemingly remain truest to the trade and are least uniform in construct and appearance. Anything to expedite curing through additives seems weird.
Although, I try new stuff all the time, this approach is what I want to be smoking, just blended tobacco - nothing cooked, dyed, additives etc. I just try to stay away from additives in my smokes.

(ps. I did relatively enjoy the 1 RP Edge Maduro I smoked

but won't again)

Magma · 02-20-2009, 02:35 AM

I always thought it was oils from the cigar itself lol

02-20-2009, 03:05 AM

Mmmmmm Die and additives..

01-03-2009, 07:49 AM	#1
Smokin Gator Just plain insane! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Swamp Posts: 6,237 Trading: (106)	PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper Why in the heck do they dye wrappers? I swear I will NEVER buy another Edge maduro or any other cigar that stains my fingers. Rant off... __________________ Check out the Cigar Asylum Newbie Sampler Trade

01-03-2009, 08:08 AM	#2
Jbailey Brewcifer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Madison, WI Posts: 5,212 Trading: (17)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper I have no idea about the dyed wrappers, but I'm with you on never buying another one.

01-03-2009, 12:19 PM	#3
NCRadioMan Chutney Lovebusciut Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Chutney Location: On the shores of Loch Shiel Posts: 4,277 Trading: (66)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper I think one reason is that the wrappers they use are not the prettiest things and probably are not uniform in color and Americans always want something that appears to be perfect. It's the same with apples. Those nice shiny red ones you see at the store are, for the most part, dyed to make them "pretty" to the consumer. __________________ The path to loyalty is trust.

01-03-2009, 12:37 PM	#5
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,337 Trading: (7)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper There are very few cigar makers that DON'T enhance their maduro wrappers in some way. I've smoked Anejos and a Padron 80th that stained my fingers, and pitch-black cheapo bundles that didn't stain my fingers. Guess it depends on how well they "enhance" the wrappers. The worst I've ever had was an Olde World Reserve maduro. I could rub my fingers together and the residue would flake off like dirt.

01-03-2009, 01:45 PM	#6
duckmanco Can't stop whats coming Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: that forsaken stretch of wood they call Whiskey Grove Posts: 404 Trading: (10)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper Give the 601 bp maduro a shot if u have not yet ....no dye on those wrappers __________________ "...Ain't no dark till somethin' shines..."

01-03-2009, 01:50 PM	#7
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper dye = BS...

01-03-2009, 02:01 PM	#8
Cigary Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper I agree with the "dye" being used on the cigars,,,I don't like it one bit but I just can't stop smoking the Edge Maduro,,it tastes good. Forgive me but I must smoke them all.

02-19-2009, 09:23 AM	#11
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,662 Trading: (63)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper Most annoying- kinda scared me a bit- had me spitting like I was chewing! __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

02-19-2009, 04:41 PM	#12
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper A CAO Maduro stained my fingers and lips once. That cigar didn't even last an inch before I tossed that crap out.

02-19-2009, 05:28 PM	#13
ronhoffman2 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper those damn PR's. stealing hubcaps and what not.

02-19-2009, 07:22 PM	#14
MithShrike Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper From those reps and tobacco types I've spoken to, the wrappers that are cooked are the ones that normally rub off. Apparently the dyes usually hold pretty well. Just what I've been told, I'd like to see if it were true first hand but the only manufacturer I know that I can walk into his factory quickly doesn't use cooked or dyed leaves.

02-19-2009, 10:08 PM	#15
RGD. God Like Status Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Ron Location: Alexandria, Virginia Posts: 971 Trading: (1)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper I would like to inject a note for thought also - "cooking" the leaves to accelerate the fermentation process which naturally produces oily sugary wrappers, manufacturers will also add sugar. So although dye may be added, don't be so quick to judge. Saliva and/or combined with heat can and will cause the sugar/oils to be pulled from the wrapper. I'm a maduro fan. So no doubt I have had my fair share of dye induced wrappers - I don't get stains. I don't wet, lick or otherwise slobber on my cigars - dry lips I guess. Anyway - just something for thought. Ron

02-19-2009, 10:20 PM	#16
TomHagen Rabbinic Consigliere Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tattejuaje Location: NY Posts: 601 Trading: (12)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper This topic always freaks me out. I find the dyes/cooking/sugar gross. I want to be smoking tobacco and that is IT! I find CC's to be the most genuine (no proof), cause they don't have so many different "new" products (ex. RP), no money to invest in additives, seemingly remain truest to the trade and are least uniform in construct and appearance. Anything to expedite curing through additives seems weird. Although, I try new stuff all the time, this approach is what I want to be smoking, just blended tobacco - nothing cooked, dyed, additives etc. I just try to stay away from additives in my smokes. (ps. I did relatively enjoy the 1 RP Edge Maduro I smoked but won't again) __________________ Cigar Asylum Minyan///Corona Gorda Comparison Thread Do Acts of Goodness and Kindness!!

02-20-2009, 02:35 AM	#17
Magma AKA Even Steven Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu, HI Posts: 38 Trading: (0)	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper I always thought it was oils from the cigar itself lol

02-20-2009, 03:05 AM	#18
RottenZombie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PR Edge Maduro Dyed Wrapper Mmmmmm Die and additives..