Critters that kill just to kill

stitch · 01-08-2014, 05:05 PM

Over the week end my wife's two pet alpaca's were killed by what I now think was a pack of feral dog's. In two years here at the ranch nothing has bothered them, Not coyote's, not the lions ... Nothing. over the week end I found them both dead at the bottom of the south pasture. I've been riding and looking ever since but the grazing allotment here is 40,000 Acres so there's a lot of ground to cover ... If I find them they are Dead Meat.
It's a shame that two docile and gentle critters like Royal and Zen had to die that way just for the sake of being killed.
My Wife is very, VERY upset.
Vengeance is MINE sayeth the Rancher.

Remo · 01-08-2014, 05:29 PM

Hope you find em' bro and put a smack down on them

cjhalbrooks · 01-08-2014, 05:31 PM

Destroy those killers.

bruceolee · 01-08-2014, 05:35 PM

I have cats that kill just to kill............but that falls into the fly, mouse, and lizard category. For the dogs, traps would be the easiest way to get them.

kelmac07 · 01-08-2014, 05:36 PM

Hope you catch 'em Jeff.

G G · 01-08-2014, 05:41 PM

Sorry to hear it and hope you find them.

8zeros · 01-08-2014, 05:42 PM

Real sorry to hear about the alpacas. Nicest critters, those. Expensive too.
I had a dog that was the most docile pet with kids & people & cats, everything. But if he saw a deer or goat or other hoofed critter he turned pure hunter. I imagine it's a deep instinct. He only killed wild deer as far as I ever knew. I've hunted down wild dogs before. There should be lots of sign. Trails, scat, prints, they usually eat every part of the carcasses, so you don't find that unless it's recent. You might want to put up a game cam.
40,000 acres! Oh my aching back(side)!

equetefue · 01-08-2014, 06:06 PM

Sorry to hear about this. Hope you catch them dogs. Scary to know that they could turn on a human

big_jaygee · 01-08-2014, 06:07 PM

Sorry to hear about yalls Alpaca's Jeff. They are beautiful and gentle animals. thats one of the nice things about visiting my folks, drinking coffee and watching then alpacas in the morning.

I hope you find the killers and get your justice brother

hotreds · 01-08-2014, 07:56 PM

Sorry to hear. Hope you find the killers and put them down!

markem · 01-08-2014, 07:59 PM

So sorry Jeff. Alpacas are very docile - a friend has a large alpaca operation. Killing them and leaving them sounds like dogs, but keep an eye out as you roam in case it is something else. Killing without eating sounds way too much like dogs raised for fighting to me. Shudder.

Heavy_d · 01-08-2014, 08:06 PM

Sorry about the Alpacas Jeff. Hope you find the dogs, they can do a lot of damage. We had a pack of ferals roaming a small town near me, killed some deer, domestic pets and even attacked one person if I'm not mistaken before they got put down.

Dude Here · 01-08-2014, 08:09 PM

My father in law has alpacas too and had the same issue. Three dogs who lived at another house a mile or so away kept getting out and attacking his animals, especially the alpacas. It took him putting some buck shot into one dog's backside for the beast's owners to finally fix their fence.

Sorry for your loss and I hope you get those mangy mutts.

stitch · 01-10-2014, 09:10 PM

Well it's been interesting to say the least.... I've found what looks like activity of a lion that lives out in these parts ... But it didn't look like a lion kill to me.
I've also had it confirmed that a pack of about 14 wolves was sighted 20 miles from here last week by four separate people.
I did encounter a pack of large feral dogs about 10 miles out from here gnawing on a dead calf ... Managed to whack two of them with my 45-70 before they beat feet into the trees ....
Vengeance is Mine ... With more Vengeance to come.

This aint about money ... Those alpaca's were like babies to my wife.

big_jaygee · 01-10-2014, 09:28 PM

get it brother

Dude Here · 01-10-2014, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stitch

Well it's been interesting to say the least.... I've found what looks like activity of a lion that lives out in these parts ... But it didn't look like a lion kill to me.
I've also had it confirmed that a pack of about 14 wolves was sighted 20 miles from here last week by four separate people.
I did encounter a pack of large feral dogs about 10 miles out from here gnawing on a dead calf ... Managed to whack two of them with my 45-70 before they beat feet into the trees ....
Vengeance is Mine ... With more Vengeance to come.

This aint about money ... Those alpaca's were like babies to my wife.

I wouldn't think the lion would kill both alpacas, let alone kill them just for the heck of it. Wolves might do it. Were the alpacas eaten at all?

8zeros · 01-11-2014, 10:24 AM

Good shooting to get two of them. 45-70? Saddle gun? Interesting choice, what kind?
I used a 12ga. One shot I must have peppered them and they never came around again.
Dogs and prob'ly wolves seem to go for a neck break, grab & shake. There are some mt. lion attacks on yootoob that show them going for a strangle on the throat. I would bet they leave claw marks every time. Not sure that would show up on a winter coat alpaca.
Is there a chance that someones dog got out and did this?

stitch · 01-11-2014, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8zeros

Good shooting to get two of them. 45-70? Saddle gun? Interesting choice, what kind?
I used a 12ga. One shot I must have peppered them and they never came around again.
Dogs and prob'ly wolves seem to go for a neck break, grab & shake. There are some mt. lion attacks on yootoob that show them going for a strangle on the throat. I would bet they leave claw marks every time. Not sure that would show up on a winter coat alpaca.
Is there a chance that someones dog got out and did this?

Marlin 1895, Original 1972 model with Ballard Barrel, 405gr. Hard cast Buffalo Bullet ... Over kill I know, Usually I carry the 30-30 But I just felt like taking the Big Bore for a spin.

They were Neck grabbed for sure, One was eaten on a little by the coyote's that were there but one was un touched, but they were both defiantly killed by the neck.
When I shot the first dog the others just looked up like WTF was that ? ... Dumb! .. So I shot a second one and the rest figured it out at that point.
Defiantly at least 2nd generation Feral dogs.

cjhalbrooks · 01-11-2014, 12:13 PM

Vengeance is yours.

dijit · 01-11-2014, 01:02 PM

Seems odd for feral dogs to kill just for the sake of killing. I would be more concerned about someones hunting dogs getting loose. They will kill not to kill but thinking they are holding the prey for their master to show up. Especially if they have been trained to chase javelina or wild pigs. Either way it stinks and I wish you good hunting.

01-08-2014, 05:05 PM	#1
stitch Saddle Maker And Cowboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Diamond K Ranch Posts: 720 Trading: (34)	Critters that kill just to kill Over the week end my wife's two pet alpaca's were killed by what I now think was a pack of feral dog's. In two years here at the ranch nothing has bothered them, Not coyote's, not the lions ... Nothing. over the week end I found them both dead at the bottom of the south pasture. I've been riding and looking ever since but the grazing allotment here is 40,000 Acres so there's a lot of ground to cover ... If I find them they are Dead Meat. It's a shame that two docile and gentle critters like Royal and Zen had to die that way just for the sake of being killed. My Wife is very, VERY upset. Vengeance is MINE sayeth the Rancher. __________________ Cowboy Wisdom: Ifin' ya get to thinkin yourself a might bit important, Try tellin someone else's dog what to do.

01-08-2014, 05:29 PM	#2
Remo C.I.A Join Date: Feb 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Palm Harbor, Florida Posts: 12,597 Trading: (122)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Hope you find em' bro and put a smack down on them __________________

01-08-2014, 05:31 PM	#3
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Destroy those killers. __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

01-08-2014, 05:35 PM	#4
bruceolee King of Rants Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Jason Location: South Florida Posts: 1,227 Trading: (1)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill I have cats that kill just to kill............but that falls into the fly, mouse, and lizard category. For the dogs, traps would be the easiest way to get them. __________________ “When I have found intense pain relieved, a weary brain soothed, and calm, refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar, I have felt grateful to God, and have blessed His name.” Spurgeon

01-08-2014, 05:36 PM	#5
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Hope you catch 'em Jeff. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

01-08-2014, 05:41 PM	#6
G G BR549 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Taylor, FL. Posts: 12,730 Trading: (10)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Sorry to hear it and hope you find them.

01-08-2014, 05:42 PM	#7
8zeros What's this button do? Join Date: Dec 2013 First Name: Roger Location: Far from everything Posts: 268 Trading: (0)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Real sorry to hear about the alpacas. Nicest critters, those. Expensive too. I had a dog that was the most docile pet with kids & people & cats, everything. But if he saw a deer or goat or other hoofed critter he turned pure hunter. I imagine it's a deep instinct. He only killed wild deer as far as I ever knew. I've hunted down wild dogs before. There should be lots of sign. Trails, scat, prints, they usually eat every part of the carcasses, so you don't find that unless it's recent. You might want to put up a game cam. 40,000 acres! Oh my aching back(side)! __________________

01-08-2014, 06:06 PM	#8
equetefue Liga Privada Hoarder Join Date: Jun 2012 First Name: Edwin Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,348 Trading: (17)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Sorry to hear about this. Hope you catch them dogs. Scary to know that they could turn on a human

01-08-2014, 06:07 PM	#9
big_jaygee I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Dec 2012 First Name: Jason Location: Houston Posts: 3,914 Trading: (59)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Sorry to hear about yalls Alpaca's Jeff. They are beautiful and gentle animals. thats one of the nice things about visiting my folks, drinking coffee and watching then alpacas in the morning. I hope you find the killers and get your justice brother

01-08-2014, 07:56 PM	#10
hotreds Ephesians 2:8 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5 miles past "Resume Speed" Posts: 11,665 Trading: (63)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Sorry to hear. Hope you find the killers and put them down! __________________ God loves you so much, that he made you read this, just to let you know.

01-08-2014, 07:59 PM	#11
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,625 Trading: (47)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill So sorry Jeff. Alpacas are very docile - a friend has a large alpaca operation. Killing them and leaving them sounds like dogs, but keep an eye out as you roam in case it is something else. Killing without eating sounds way too much like dogs raised for fighting to me. Shudder. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

01-08-2014, 08:06 PM	#12
Heavy_d Feeling at Home Join Date: Jun 2013 First Name: Derek Location: Eastern, KY Posts: 878 Trading: (1)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Sorry about the Alpacas Jeff. Hope you find the dogs, they can do a lot of damage. We had a pack of ferals roaming a small town near me, killed some deer, domestic pets and even attacked one person if I'm not mistaken before they got put down. __________________ "maybe it's like becoming one with the cigar. You lose yourself in it; everything fades away" -Raul Julia

01-08-2014, 08:09 PM	#13
Dude Here I'm the Dude...Man! Join Date: Oct 2013 First Name: Steve Location: Texas Posts: 671 Trading: (3)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill My father in law has alpacas too and had the same issue. Three dogs who lived at another house a mile or so away kept getting out and attacking his animals, especially the alpacas. It took him putting some buck shot into one dog's backside for the beast's owners to finally fix their fence. Sorry for your loss and I hope you get those mangy mutts. __________________

01-10-2014, 09:10 PM	#14
stitch Saddle Maker And Cowboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Diamond K Ranch Posts: 720 Trading: (34)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Well it's been interesting to say the least.... I've found what looks like activity of a lion that lives out in these parts ... But it didn't look like a lion kill to me. I've also had it confirmed that a pack of about 14 wolves was sighted 20 miles from here last week by four separate people. I did encounter a pack of large feral dogs about 10 miles out from here gnawing on a dead calf ... Managed to whack two of them with my 45-70 before they beat feet into the trees .... Vengeance is Mine ... With more Vengeance to come. This aint about money ... Those alpaca's were like babies to my wife. __________________ Cowboy Wisdom: Ifin' ya get to thinkin yourself a might bit important, Try tellin someone else's dog what to do.

01-10-2014, 09:28 PM	#15
big_jaygee I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Dec 2012 First Name: Jason Location: Houston Posts: 3,914 Trading: (59)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill get it brother

01-11-2014, 10:24 AM	#17
8zeros What's this button do? Join Date: Dec 2013 First Name: Roger Location: Far from everything Posts: 268 Trading: (0)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Good shooting to get two of them. 45-70? Saddle gun? Interesting choice, what kind? I used a 12ga. One shot I must have peppered them and they never came around again. Dogs and prob'ly wolves seem to go for a neck break, grab & shake. There are some mt. lion attacks on yootoob that show them going for a strangle on the throat. I would bet they leave claw marks every time. Not sure that would show up on a winter coat alpaca. Is there a chance that someones dog got out and did this? __________________

01-11-2014, 12:13 PM	#19
cjhalbrooks I am behind you. SHHHHH Join Date: Dec 2011 First Name: Cory Location: Under a Bridge, trying to find the troll who stole my soul. Posts: 1,370 Trading: (20)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Vengeance is yours. __________________ GMCGTPWHAF Tennessee Chapter. Down with the bloody BIG HEAD

01-11-2014, 01:02 PM	#20
dijit Have My Own Room Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Mike Location: Brownsburg, Indiana Posts: 2,186 Trading: (48)	Re: Critters that kill just to kill Seems odd for feral dogs to kill just for the sake of killing. I would be more concerned about someones hunting dogs getting loose. They will kill not to kill but thinking they are holding the prey for their master to show up. Especially if they have been trained to chase javelina or wild pigs. Either way it stinks and I wish you good hunting. __________________ Sporting goods raffle for a great cause. PM me for tickets.