Sigh, A-10 warthog going away

markem · 12-12-2013, 10:03 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/end-looms-us-a...115956604.html

Heavy sigh. Worked on the combat simulator for this and other combat systems back in the 80s as part of the original DARPA SimNet program. Used to love flying these around on Friday evenings with a beer in one hand carving a hole through legions of tanks, APCs and Bradleys with the simulator set to unlimited ammo and no ground (that is, we could fly below the ground and pop up for shots). We used to have so many simulators running on beer and pizza night... but it was purely for quality control purposes, I assure you.

replicant_argent · 12-12-2013, 10:10 AM

I want to try the simulator.
The warthog is arguably one of the most diehard, useful, and iconic planes of the US mil.
BUFF, Fast Movers, Warthogs. What couldn't you do with an air force solely made up of those three?

replicant_argent · 12-12-2013, 10:11 AM

Pretty sure the "no ground" thing doesn't work IRL, cheater.

equetefue · 12-12-2013, 10:13 AM

With the role it played on our arsenal, im sure they are planning on a replacement.

markem · 12-12-2013, 10:14 AM

"fast movers"? I do not think that this means what you think it means. It's a very slow close combat support plane, which is why the Army loves it and the Air Force hates it. Close combat is a primary Army need but multi-role is the primary Air Force one. Gonna be hard to replace no matter what.

SimNet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMNET

markem · 12-12-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Pretty sure the "no ground" thing doesn't work IRL, cheater.

Neither does "unlimited ammo" but not one said that war was fair

AdamJoshua · 12-12-2013, 10:15 AM

Edwin they aren't replacing it with a new specialized plane, just one of the new fighters. It's too bad, saw many many many of them do their thing in Desert Storm, quite the sight!

The Poet · 12-12-2013, 10:18 AM

One tough and nasty little platform for its task, but a fleet in excess of 300 aircraft does seem a bit much for the threats we face at present.

Yet with the Army telling Congress it wants no more Abrams tanks, as it is fully equipped PLUS has thousands mothballed, yet still the contractor is making them over these objections, I can't see the harm in keeping maybe as much as a third of the A-10s in service, even if with some other branch if the Air Force jet jockeys dislike it so much.

Edit: Oh, and let's not forget the Navy's Littoral ships, which even they admit is flawed.

Edit 2: Or the massive cost overruns and delays in the F-35 program.

Lear31MX · 12-12-2013, 10:20 AM

That's to bad. The A-10 was one of my favorite aircraft. Any time you have to move the nose gear to make room for a bigger gun! That's a winner in my book.

Those AF pilots just don't like to fly slow.

hotreds · 12-12-2013, 10:22 AM

A fine aeroplane!

AdamJoshua · 12-12-2013, 10:24 AM

Another thing about A-10s, women pilots in combat the percentage of female combat pilots is small I think there are around 50, but many of them are / were A-10 pilots.

replicant_argent · 12-12-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by markem

"fast movers"? I do not think that this means what you think it means. It's a very slow close combat support plane, which is why the Army loves it and the Air Force hates it. Close combat is a primary Army need but multi-role is the primary Air Force one. Gonna be hard to replace no matter what.

SimNet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMNET

Fast Movers. F-4 Phantom. BUFF. Big Ugly Fat Fellow. B-52. 3 iconic aircraft. The F-4 would be outclassed by a number of very small countries air forces today, but for 30+ years, useful in its varied platforms in a variety of tasks.

markem · 12-12-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Fast Movers. F-4 Phantom. BUFF. Big Ugly Fat Fellow. B-52. 3 iconic aircraft. The F-4 would be outclassed by a number of very small countries air forces today, but for 30+ years, useful in its varied platforms in a variety of tasks.

Ah! My bad. Thanks for the clarification. If I didn't work on it, I probably don't know the nicknames. My personal tie to the movie The Hunt for Red October is in having written the hardware simulator for the torpedo side of the P3 Orion ASW/SOW.

hotreds · 12-12-2013, 10:32 AM

Some guys are flying BUFFs that were flying before THEY were born! And, the BUFF seems to be hanging on and on and on.

Remo · 12-12-2013, 10:32 AM

I wanna buy one!!

hotreds · 12-12-2013, 10:33 AM

Lear31MX · 12-12-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Remo

I wanna buy one!!

Group buy

T.G · 12-12-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hotreds

Some guys are flying BUFFs that were flying before THEY were born! And, the BUFF seems to be hanging on and on and on.

Three generations of B-52 pilots
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...w-Vietnam.html

shilala · 12-12-2013, 10:46 AM

Adam can buy the fuel!!!

icehog3 · 12-12-2013, 01:35 PM

Oh, thank goodness, I read the title and thought Mr. Mark was sending me to a gulag.

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markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,625 Trading: (47)	Sigh, A-10 warthog going away http://news.yahoo.com/end-looms-us-a...115956604.html Heavy sigh. Worked on the combat simulator for this and other combat systems back in the 80s as part of the original DARPA SimNet program. Used to love flying these around on Friday evenings with a beer in one hand carving a hole through legions of tanks, APCs and Bradleys with the simulator set to unlimited ammo and no ground (that is, we could fly below the ground and pop up for shots). We used to have so many simulators running on beer and pizza night... but it was purely for quality control purposes, I assure you. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

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replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: Sigh, A-10 warthog going away I want to try the simulator. The warthog is arguably one of the most diehard, useful, and iconic planes of the US mil. BUFF, Fast Movers, Warthogs. What couldn't you do with an air force solely made up of those three? __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

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replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: Sigh, A-10 warthog going away Pretty sure the "no ground" thing doesn't work IRL, cheater. __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

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markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,625 Trading: (47)	Re: Sigh, A-10 warthog going away "fast movers"? I do not think that this means what you think it means. It's a very slow close combat support plane, which is why the Army loves it and the Air Force hates it. Close combat is a primary Army need but multi-role is the primary Air Force one. Gonna be hard to replace no matter what. SimNet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMNET __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

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AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: Sigh, A-10 warthog going away Edwin they aren't replacing it with a new specialized plane, just one of the new fighters. It's too bad, saw many many many of them do their thing in Desert Storm, quite the sight!

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The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: Sigh, A-10 warthog going away One tough and nasty little platform for its task, but a fleet in excess of 300 aircraft does seem a bit much for the threats we face at present. Yet with the Army telling Congress it wants no more Abrams tanks, as it is fully equipped PLUS has thousands mothballed, yet still the contractor is making them over these objections, I can't see the harm in keeping maybe as much as a third of the A-10s in service, even if with some other branch if the Air Force jet jockeys dislike it so much. Edit: Oh, and let's not forget the Navy's Littoral ships, which even they admit is flawed. Edit 2: Or the massive cost overruns and delays in the F-35 program. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

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