Call me a noob..

[Flounder]

Call me a noob, but what is this?

http://www.famous-smoke.com/cigars/p...content=cigars

I know better than to think that they are legit Cubans, because I don't understand how SOME Cubans could be real and legal with the embargo. Please advise.

"Noob..." Request granted!

P.S. After briefly checking at your link, the cigars there are not Cuban. They do have the same brand names as many Cubans, but the rights to the names outside of Cuba are owned by General Cigar, IIRC. However, I'm not sure why you are referring to the embargo.

looks like they are marketing to shall we say............n00bs??

Just because they are not Cubans doesn't mean they are bad, though. At least half of those cigars are at the very lease, decent. The Sna Cristobol, for example, is a good cigar and blended by Pepin for Ashton.

[Flounder]

Dont get me wrong. I understand how the trademarks went out the window when the embargo was placed, so non-Cuban companies picked them up (something like that), And I knew they were all formerly Cuban brand names, just was wondering if there was a way someone found away around the whole "Cubans be illegal" thing. And I do like the Cohibas and such.

Originally Posted by Flounder

Dont get me wrong. I understand how the trademarks went out the window when the embargo was placed, so non-Cuban companies picked them up (something like that), And I knew they were all formerly Cuban brand names, just was wondering if there was a way someone found away around the whole "Cubans be illegal" thing. And I do like the Cohibas and such.

I believe Camacho was selling "pre embargo" cigars made with Cuban tobacco.

[Emjaysmash]

No. There is no way to legally sell cuban cigars to/within the US unless they are pre-embargo.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Flounder

Call me a noob, but what is this?

http://www.famous-smoke.com/cigars/p...content=cigars

I know better than to think that they are legit Cubans, because I don't understand how SOME Cubans could be real and legal with the embargo. Please advise.

Famous is simply being creative with the ads. Using terms like "Cuban Heritage" are often used by many vendors and manufacturers to draw attention to their cigars, which in turn, increases the chances of sales.

There's nothing Cuban about those cigars except the commonality in the name and the possible involvement of a few Cuban expatriates in their blending and/or production. There is no Cuban tobacco in those cigars and they were not rolled in Cuba.

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

"Noob..." Request granted!

P.S. After briefly checking at your link, the cigars there are not Cuban. They do have the same brand names as many Cubans, but the rights to the names outside of Cuba are owned by General Cigar, IIRC. However, I'm not sure why you are referring to the embargo.

FYI: General Cigar is but one of many that own US trademark rights to Cuban brand names. Altadis, MATASA, Ashton, Lignum-2 just to name a few others. The cigars featured in those samplers come from a number of these different brand owners. And, just to clarify, these trademark rights are not "to the names outside of Cuba" but rather, only to the rights of the names in the US.

[massphatness]

The key word in the ad is "Heritage" meaning these cigars had their roots originally in Cuba, but not now. That root might be in the name, or were cultivated originally using "Cuban seed", etc.

Or what Adam said above ...

[ktblunden]

It irritates me how many manufacturers there are that have worked "Cuba", "Cuban", or "Habano" into the name of their cigar, when none of them are actually Cuban. It's designed to prey on the less informed. I've met people who were completely convinced a shop sells actual Cuban cigars because, "They say Cuba right on the band." It's a dishonest practice I wish would go away.

[Sonic04GT]

Originally Posted by massphatness

The key word in the ad is "Heritage" meaning these cigars had their roots originally in Cuba, but not now. That root might be in the name, or were cultivated originally using "Cuban seed", etc.

Or what Adam said above ...

Exactly, coming from a noob myself

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by ktblunden

It irritates me how many manufacturers there are that have worked "Cuba", "Cuban", or "Habano" into the name of their cigar, when none of them are actually Cuban.

"Habano" almost always refers to the tobacco variety, as (typically) comprises the blend's wrapper and, as such, is neither incorrect nor necessarily intended to confuse or obfuscate.

[icehog3]

[Flounder]

I guess my thing was that, "Times they are-a changin'," wasn't sure if I was missing something, I didn't see the "Heritage" on the page. I know that there are many Cuban Blends, and such that are in fact, not Cuban at all.

[Brutus2600]

I guess because they used a "?" after Legal Cubans it made ok and not false advertising, rofl.

Originally Posted by darkninja67

I believe Camacho was selling "pre embargo" cigars made with Cuban tobacco.

From what I've seen the pre embargo cigars only have SOME pre ban cuban tobacco in them. It could mean as little as a pinch. Just more marketing that really doesn't amount to anything so far as the quality of the cigar. However, I would guess that if it takes that type of marketing to sell the cigars, they're probably not top shelf. Just my .02

[Emjaysmash]

Originally Posted by goomer

From what I've seen the pre embargo cigars only have SOME pre ban cuban tobacco in them. It could mean as little as a pinch. Just more marketing that really doesn't amount to anything so far as the quality of the cigar. However, I would guess that if it takes that type of marketing to sell the cigars, they're probably not top shelf. Just my .02

In the case of Camacho, this is true. They use current leaf with a pinch of pre-embargo tobacco to give the gimmick of something that's better.

Clear Havanas, one the other hand, may well be worth finding as all of thier tobacco is pre-embargo.

[pektel]

Also, check out Pinar P3000's. I believe those are supposed to be 100% pre-embargo cuban tobacco.

*I have never tried them, so I have no idea if it's just a marketing tactic. Just read about them recently is all.

[T.G]

[bobarian]