"true" maduros

JJG · 11-08-2009, 01:01 AM

all this maduro discussion lately got me thinking, have I ever had a true maduro wrapped cigar?

I started a thread a few weeks ago concerning the use of dye and found that dyed and cooked wrappers are actually very common, and all the major cigar manufacturers utilize one or both of these techniques.

so I guess my question is, if I wanted to try a maduro that wasn't cooked or dyed, where would I go? Are they just a myth?

bobarian · 11-08-2009, 01:32 AM

"Cooking" or heat fermentation is done to speed the process to my understanding.
"Dying" is done for color consistency only and does not affect flavor or taste.

I am not sure if even the Cuban Cohiba Maduro is a completely naturally fermented wrapper.

Fumes · 11-08-2009, 01:45 AM

Padron maduro. It's hard to tell the difference between the natural and maduro because the natural is sun grown and the maduro is completely, well, natural. The wrapper shades are really close. But the difference in the flavor is obvious.

gbum · 11-08-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fumes

Padron maduro. It's hard to tell the difference between the natural and maduro because the natural is sun grown and the maduro is completely, well, natural. The wrapper shades are really close. But the difference in the flavor is obvious.

sometimes i'm even can't tell which one is maduro or not,until i saw the label..

SmokinApe · 11-08-2009, 06:18 AM

Padron is the only manufacturer the a think doesn't do something fishy....

TripleF · 11-08-2009, 07:41 AM

I believe Oliva triple ferments for a maduro wrapper.

JJG · 11-08-2009, 10:36 AM

interesting, that makes sense though. The maduros in their regular line don't have unnaturally dark or oily wrappers. I wonder about the 64s and 26s though. I think it was a 26 that originally sparked my interest in the subject. They just look a little too dark sometimes and it made me curious. not that I really care, I don't smoke many maduros anyway. but the maduro 26s do look much darker than the regular line.

Emjaysmash · 11-08-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JJG

interesting, that makes sense though. The maduros in their regular line don't have unnaturally dark or oily wrappers. I wonder about the 64s and 26s though. I think it was a 26 that originally sparked my interest in the subject. They just look a little too dark sometimes and it made me curious. not that I really care, I don't smoke many maduros anyway. but the maduro 26s do look much darker than the regular line.

I would have to agree with you. The oiliest cigar I;ve ever seen (aside from those dripping of vaseline in JR's) was the Padron 80th Maduro. I thought I was goign to break out if I rubbed that thing on my face!

11-08-2009, 11:06 AM

My favorite maduro is the LGC Wavell. Is that a "true" maduro?

pmwz · 11-08-2009, 11:44 AM

cigars are sorted by wrapper colour. claro, maduro,oscuro...are all just color classifacations.
the manafactures use "special" fermentation processes to get the dark color. some wrappers are more suited for the fermentation process like the conneticut broadleaf.

duckmanco · 11-08-2009, 01:08 PM

I think the 601 BP maduro also falls under this category.

bobarian · 11-08-2009, 07:36 PM

The King of Maduros. Camacho Triple Maduro.

Sauer Grapes · 11-08-2009, 09:58 PM

I know that CAO dyes some of their maduro wrappers. The stains on my fingers and lips were proof enough for me. I haven't had fuentes do that, so at most fuentes "cook" their wrappers, but I don't know that for sure.

gbum · 11-08-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sauer grapes

i know that cao dyes some of their maduro wrappers. The stains on my fingers and lips were proof enough for me. I haven't had fuentes do that, so at most fuentes "cook" their wrappers, but i don't know that for sure.

fail

JJG · 11-08-2009, 10:30 PM

heated fermentation doesn't bother me, just the dying. I know it's harmless, but the whole idea is just really unappealing to me.

Starscream · 11-08-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

I know that CAO dyes some of their maduro wrappers. The stains on my fingers and lips were proof enough for me. I haven't had fuentes do that, so at most fuentes "cook" their wrappers, but I don't know that for sure.

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Originally Posted by gbum

fail

Fail? Are you referring to the CAO or the Fuente?

gbum · 11-09-2009, 12:55 AM

dyes usage

11-08-2009, 01:01 AM	#1
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	"true" maduros all this maduro discussion lately got me thinking, have I ever had a true maduro wrapped cigar? I started a thread a few weeks ago concerning the use of dye and found that dyed and cooked wrappers are actually very common, and all the major cigar manufacturers utilize one or both of these techniques. so I guess my question is, if I wanted to try a maduro that wasn't cooked or dyed, where would I go? Are they just a myth?

11-08-2009, 01:32 AM	#2
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: "true" maduros "Cooking" or heat fermentation is done to speed the process to my understanding. "Dying" is done for color consistency only and does not affect flavor or taste. I am not sure if even the Cuban Cohiba Maduro is a completely naturally fermented wrapper.

11-08-2009, 01:45 AM	#3
Fumes Not So Memorious Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Posts: 205 Trading: (0)	Re: "true" maduros Padron maduro. It's hard to tell the difference between the natural and maduro because the natural is sun grown and the maduro is completely, well, natural. The wrapper shades are really close. But the difference in the flavor is obvious. __________________ It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. -A. Lincoln

11-08-2009, 06:18 AM	#5
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: "true" maduros Padron is the only manufacturer the a think doesn't do something fishy....

11-08-2009, 07:41 AM	#6
TripleF 11/11/11 EPIC IV Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 5,626 Trading: (176)	Re: "true" maduros I believe Oliva triple ferments for a maduro wrapper. __________________ Cool Cigar Shirts, Stickers & More

11-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#7
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: "true" maduros interesting, that makes sense though. The maduros in their regular line don't have unnaturally dark or oily wrappers. I wonder about the 64s and 26s though. I think it was a 26 that originally sparked my interest in the subject. They just look a little too dark sometimes and it made me curious. not that I really care, I don't smoke many maduros anyway. but the maduro 26s do look much darker than the regular line.

11-08-2009, 11:06 AM	#9
bookman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: "true" maduros My favorite maduro is the LGC Wavell. Is that a "true" maduro?

11-08-2009, 11:44 AM	#10
pmwz Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cologne Posts: 372 Trading: (0)	Re: "true" maduros cigars are sorted by wrapper colour. claro, maduro,oscuro...are all just color classifacations. the manafactures use "special" fermentation processes to get the dark color. some wrappers are more suited for the fermentation process like the conneticut broadleaf.

11-08-2009, 01:08 PM	#11
duckmanco Can't stop whats coming Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: that forsaken stretch of wood they call Whiskey Grove Posts: 404 Trading: (10)	Re: "true" maduros I think the 601 BP maduro also falls under this category. __________________ "...Ain't no dark till somethin' shines..."

11-08-2009, 07:36 PM	#12
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: "true" maduros The King of Maduros. Camacho Triple Maduro.

11-08-2009, 09:58 PM	#13
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: "true" maduros I know that CAO dyes some of their maduro wrappers. The stains on my fingers and lips were proof enough for me. I haven't had fuentes do that, so at most fuentes "cook" their wrappers, but I don't know that for sure.

11-08-2009, 10:30 PM	#15
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: "true" maduros heated fermentation doesn't bother me, just the dying. I know it's harmless, but the whole idea is just really unappealing to me.

11-09-2009, 12:55 AM	#17
gbum Feeling at Home Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Asyraf Location: Cyberjaya-Malaysia Posts: 772 Trading: (0)	Re: "true" maduros dyes usage __________________ http://mrgbum.wordpress.com