Port problem

icantbejon · 03-24-2009, 08:16 AM

I tried a port for the first time two nights ago and I was sadly disappointed. I've heard so much about it being a great compliment to cigars. I bought a bottle and it was so sweet I couldn't stand it. My wife had the same impression. So terrible! Has anyone heard of Six Grapes Port? Is that a decent bottle or did I just get a bad batch. I would say that I'm willing to try it a second time but if that particular brand is considered a good one, then I'll just not waste my time.

skullnrose · 03-24-2009, 08:27 AM

I really don't know much about port but a quick google search turned up this and it might be an interesting read for you. As far as pairing port with cigars i'm of no help.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/419939

marge796 · 03-24-2009, 08:59 AM

Try a good Tawny port from Portugal. They have some really good ones out there in the 18-22 dollar price range. Enjoy

Chris

mosesbotbol · 03-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by icantbejon

Has anyone heard of Six Grapes Port? Is that a decent bottle or did I just get a bad batch. I would say that I'm willing to try it a second time but if that particular brand is considered a good one, then I'll just not waste my time.

Six Grapes is not that good. At the lower end of the price spectrum, you are better off buying 10 or 20 year Tawny, or an LBV. Serving port correct is also important. LBV's should be run through cheesecloth. Port should be served just below room temperature.

Madeira is much better pick than port wine for cigars. Madeira has more acid in it and really compliments a cigar better. My first pick for reasonable Madeira would be Broadbent's 10 year or Leacock's Bual.

My picks for Port in what I assume is your price range:

Ramos Pinto 10 year tawny
Ramos Pinto LBV
Warre LBV
Warre Optimo
Kirkland/Costco 10 year tawny
Delaforce Eminence 10 year tawny
Ferreira 10 year tawny

mosesbotbol · 03-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by volfan

Six Grapes is way on the sweeter end of the spectrum. Try a nice tawny and you should get more flavor and less sweet. Also Madeira is a much better compliment to cigars and there are a couple of threads about it here. Look for anything by mosesbotbol.

I put a reply into this thread.

mastershogun · 03-24-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Six Grapes is not that good. At the lower end of the price spectrum, you are better off buying 10 or 20 year Tawny, or an LBV. Serving port correct is also important. LBV's should be run through cheesecloth. Port should be served just below room temperature.

Madeira is much better pick than port wine for cigars. Madeira has more acid in it and really compliments a cigar better. My first pick for reasonable Madeira would be Broadbent's 10 year or Leacock's Bual.

My picks for Port in what I assume is your price range:

Ramos Pinto 10 year tawny
Ramos Pinto LBV
Warre LBV
Warre Optimo
Kirkland/Costco 10 year tawny
Delaforce Eminence 10 year tawny
Ferreira 10 year tawny

icantbejon · 03-24-2009, 01:27 PM

Where do you guys regularly go to find these types of Ports? Should I have luck finding them in any wine store or are these hard to find items?

Ollie · 03-24-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by icantbejon

Where do you guys regularly go to find these types of Ports? Should I have luck finding them in any wine store or are these hard to find items?

You should be able to find a good selection at Total Wine.

icantbejon · 03-24-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ollie

You should be able to find a good selection at Total Wine.

Unfortunately, that is too far of a drive to find a bottle of something I may or may not like.

03-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Six Grapes is great. Lower on the acidic nature, sweet, if you swish it in your mouth, your tongue will tingle, one of my favorites...though I'm new to wine and it's one of the few I enjoy.

KenS · 03-24-2009, 02:08 PM

Could be a simple matter of "Port is not for you." I happen to like a lot of different ports, including six grapes, but my lovely bride doesn't like port at all, even though we both like very similar red wines (cab, pinot noir, barolo).

I do think it might be worth your while to try a tawny port to see if a little less sweetness does the trick, but in the end, drink what you like and like what you drink.

icantbejon · 03-24-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KenS

Could be a simple matter of "Port is not for you." I happen to like a lot of different ports, including six grapes, but my lovely bride doesn't like port at all, even though we both like very similar red wines (cab, pinot noir, barolo).

I do think it might be worth your while to try a tawny port to see if a little less sweetness does the trick, but in the end, drink what you like and like what you drink.

I think that's going to be my move. I'll try one of the recommended tawnys, assuming I can find them, and if that fails I'll just move on to something else.

kaisersozei · 03-24-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by icantbejon

I think that's going to be my move. I'll try one of the recommended tawnys, assuming I can find them, and if that fails I'll just move on to something else.

The Krogers near us sell port, altho I don't think they stock most of the ones moses identified. You can find Sandeman's Tawny there for about $12, I think--my wife likes that one. I like the Fonseca Tawny, but always get that at Total Wine in Midlothian. They have a big selection, especially in the $15-$25 range.

mosesbotbol · 03-24-2009, 04:03 PM

Port may not be your tipple, try a nice tawny and report back.

As I mentioned earlier, Madeira is my first choice, followed by Oloroso/Amontillado Sherry or Champagne.

Other sweet wines I just adore are Tokay or Sauternes; both of which are women favorites so you significant other may enjoy them too.

HK3- · 03-24-2009, 04:24 PM

Port is a love hate relationship.... I for one love it.

Believe it or not you can get some nice ports from Sams club.

03-28-2009, 06:52 PM

My wife and I were in Napa last year and I bought some Maderia from this place http://www.vsattui.com excellent with a cigar. Actually everythign we got there eas very good.
Mike

04-02-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitmaster

My wife and I were in Napa last year and I bought some Maderia from this place http://www.vsattui.com excellent with a cigar. Actually everythign we got there eas very good.
Mike

New rules in place make it so they can't really call it Madeira. I still have a couple of bottles of this. I think V.Sattui's regular port style wine is better.

icantbejon · 04-02-2009, 02:55 PM

I picked up a bottle of tawny port to try. I think it was called Sheffield. I guarantee it's not any of the best, but I'm hoping that it will give me an idea of whether or not it's even worth trying to find a better bottle.

pnoon · 04-02-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by icantbejon

I picked up a bottle of tawny port to try. I think it was called Sheffield. I guarantee it's not any of the best, but I'm hoping that it will give me an idea of whether or not it's even worth trying to find a better bottle.

Jon - not to rain on your parade but I think your logic is flawed. Buying a cheap (< $10) bottle of port to see if you might like something better is akin to smoking a dog-rocket cigar to see if you might like a premium smoke. It probably isn't going to happen. I hope you like the Sheffield well enough to try something better because a fine tawny port is luscious.

My suggestion is to spend $15-$25 for a nice aged (10 year) tawny port. Fonseca and Taylor Fladgate make a decent one. There are some others as well. The suggestions others have made previously are all good.

icantbejon · 04-02-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Jon - not to rain on your parade but I think your logic is flawed. Buying a cheap (< $10) bottle of port to see if you might like something better is akin to smoking a dog-rocket cigar to see if you might like a premium smoke. It probably isn't going to happen. I hope you like the Sheffield well enough to try something better because a fine tawny port is luscious.

My suggestion is to spend $15-$25 for a nice aged (10 year) tawny port. Fonseca and Taylor Fladgate make a decent one. There are some others as well. The suggestions others have made previously are all good.

Sound logic you bring at me Pete. Here's my problem with the whole thing. I spent $25 on a bottle of regular port and absolutely hated it. Therefore, I didn't want to waste that much money again on a bottle I was going to take two sips out of. I agree with you completely that it is a flawed approach. I'm just hoping that this bottle gives me some faith in a tawny at all. If I like, but don't love this bottle I'll be willing to drop more money on one that is more costly.

03-24-2009, 08:16 AM	#1
icantbejon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jon Location: Chester, VA Posts: 1,219 Trading: (10)	Port problem I tried a port for the first time two nights ago and I was sadly disappointed. I've heard so much about it being a great compliment to cigars. I bought a bottle and it was so sweet I couldn't stand it. My wife had the same impression. So terrible! Has anyone heard of Six Grapes Port? Is that a decent bottle or did I just get a bad batch. I would say that I'm willing to try it a second time but if that particular brand is considered a good one, then I'll just not waste my time. __________________ "Learn to pay attention. Life is hard.....it's even more challenging when you're stupid."

03-24-2009, 08:27 AM	#2
skullnrose Ashes,ashes,all fall down Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Scott Posts: 799 Trading: (16)	Re: Port problem I really don't know much about port but a quick google search turned up this and it might be an interesting read for you. As far as pairing port with cigars i'm of no help. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/419939 Last edited by skullnrose; 03-24-2009 at 08:28 AM. Reason: fixed link

03-24-2009, 08:59 AM	#3
marge796 It Just Doesn’t Matter!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: Chris Location: Topeka KS Posts: 1,624 Trading: (28)	Re: Port problem Try a good Tawny port from Portugal. They have some really good ones out there in the 18-22 dollar price range. Enjoy Chris __________________ “Don’t talk to me about naval tradition. It’s nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash.” -Sir Winston Churchill

03-24-2009, 01:27 PM	#7
icantbejon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jon Location: Chester, VA Posts: 1,219 Trading: (10)	Re: Port problem Where do you guys regularly go to find these types of Ports? Should I have luck finding them in any wine store or are these hard to find items? __________________ "Learn to pay attention. Life is hard.....it's even more challenging when you're stupid."

03-24-2009, 02:00 PM	#10
Hardcz Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Port problem Six Grapes is great. Lower on the acidic nature, sweet, if you swish it in your mouth, your tongue will tingle, one of my favorites...though I'm new to wine and it's one of the few I enjoy.

03-24-2009, 02:08 PM	#11
KenS When do I get my meds? Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 898 Trading: (26)	Re: Port problem Could be a simple matter of "Port is not for you." I happen to like a lot of different ports, including six grapes, but my lovely bride doesn't like port at all, even though we both like very similar red wines (cab, pinot noir, barolo). I do think it might be worth your while to try a tawny port to see if a little less sweetness does the trick, but in the end, drink what you like and like what you drink. __________________ For the record, Massholes (especially adopted Massholes) do not have to root for the damn Red Sox.

03-24-2009, 04:03 PM	#14
mosesbotbol That's a Corgi Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Moses Location: Boston Posts: 6,171 Trading: (6)	Re: Port problem Port may not be your tipple, try a nice tawny and report back. As I mentioned earlier, Madeira is my first choice, followed by Oloroso/Amontillado Sherry or Champagne. Other sweet wines I just adore are Tokay or Sauternes; both of which are women favorites so you significant other may enjoy them too. __________________ Port Wine & Claret \| British Cars \| Welsh Corgi's

03-24-2009, 04:24 PM	#15
HK3- Cashmere Jungle Lord Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Boffa Location: The town so nice they named it twice Posts: 5,035 Trading: (48)	Re: Port problem Port is a love hate relationship.... I for one love it. Believe it or not you can get some nice ports from Sams club.

03-28-2009, 06:52 PM	#16
Pitmaster Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Port problem My wife and I were in Napa last year and I bought some Maderia from this place http://www.vsattui.com excellent with a cigar. Actually everythign we got there eas very good. Mike

04-02-2009, 02:55 PM	#18
icantbejon Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jon Location: Chester, VA Posts: 1,219 Trading: (10)	Re: Port problem I picked up a bottle of tawny port to try. I think it was called Sheffield. I guarantee it's not any of the best, but I'm hoping that it will give me an idea of whether or not it's even worth trying to find a better bottle. __________________ "Learn to pay attention. Life is hard.....it's even more challenging when you're stupid."