NHL '11 - '12 Thread - Page 81

Ahbroody · 07-16-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 357

I can't believe I'm dignifying this with a response but you said the White signing was a good one. His cap hit is not large and he's been very good.

As other teams in the running said, Minnesota offered something the other teams couldn't; returning home for Parise and Mrs. Suter. Not to mention Suter won't be far from his native Wisconsin. I would have like to see them in the winged wheel but I hardly think this is the NHL players sending a message that Detroit is no longer a desired destination in the NHL.

Condensed version I have excuses why for the past few years no big name free agent has signed with the Wings and why now star players are leaving.

No big names are coming. They need to start offering up big money for people to come. Apparently bigger then Suters offer. Hell Green just resigned with the Caps. Your not in the running for Nash as they want someone of equal scoring. You got that drunk mental case tootoo though so between him and Bertuzzi maybe they are going for a different style. I'm poking yah Mike, but really its not going to be a good year. I am not saying Sharks are going to do anything other then choke again, but Wings are one or two off seasons like this from becoming a non playoff team.

Is Homer retiring also? If he returns he will be gone next year for sure
http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/...tguid=UrCnQHov

Semins I thought would be signed by now.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...o-go-to-russia

My understanding is he wants to go to a cup contender and wants a multi year deal. I think the multi year deal offers are coming from teams that are not cup contenders. Suprised Ove has not tried to help him.

357 · 07-18-2012, 01:02 PM

I'm pretty sure Homer is retiring. At least I hope so. Can't hold a roster spot for a PP specialist who will play 8 min/game. His skating ability has lacked for years. Now it's a huge liability.

Concerning free agency, you might be right. The Wings might be in a position where they don't want to get locked into a really bad contract just to fill a roster spot. Is Doan worth $30+ million for 4 years at 35? No. I'd like to see him come here but that's reportedly what an Easter conf team has offered him. I hope the Wings don't throw that kind of money at him. I'd rather wait and see who else we can get in FA or via trade. If no major moves then maybe they will struggle for a year or two and pick in the middle of the 1st round for the first time in 20 years.

07-19-2012, 09:59 AM

Sounds like the Flyers offered Weber 14 years for ~$100 million. Will Nashville match or let him walk and take the 4 first round picks. Would be tough for Nashville to lose their entire top blue line, I imagine.

icehog3 · 07-19-2012, 10:31 AM

I don't see how the Preds can not match the offer sheet, I think their fans will freak if they do not.

Fredo456 · 07-19-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wanger

Sounds like the Flyers offered Weber 14 years for ~$100 million. Will Nashville match or let him walk and take the 4 first round picks. Would be tough for Nashville to lose their entire top blue line, I imagine.

The amount is said to be 110 M$, so it would be 7.85 M$ per year, about the same as his previous salary (7,5 M$). It would only yield a compensation of two 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd.

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I don't see how the Preds can not match the offer sheet, I think their fans will freak if they do not.

My first reaction was "they can't afford it", now I'm rather thinking "they can't afford not to".

OTOH, even with Weber on board, they can't carry this team just Rinne and him. There doesn't seem to be much prospect wise, and there is nothing left on the team, either on defense or up front (they don't have a first line).

I think they're doomed, short term, wether they match the offer sheet or not. If they don't, there's no guarantee they'll be able to draft worthwhile prospects with the compensation.

Ahbroody · 07-19-2012, 04:46 PM

Going to be interesting. If they don't lock him up the team is now a goalie and fans will be destroyed and I imagine attendance will drop. What is interesting is the Philly Pronger deal and I think the over 4 mill per year they are on the hook for until 2016 if he retires. Is it more then that?

Funny I know atleast one team in desperate need that was going to make a big push for him next year based on what fans were writing. Next years big free agent is already going to get locked up it appears.

Fredo456 · 07-19-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody

What is interesting is the Philly Pronger deal and I think the over 4 mill per year they are on the hook for until 2016 if he retires. Is it more then that?

His salary is $4,921,429 until the end of the 2016-17 season. By then, he'll be 42 years old and obviously not playing anymore. Even if he retires, he'll remain on the payroll and count towards the cap, because his contract is a 35+ (years old at the time of signing).

Partagaspete · 07-20-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo456

The amount is said to be 110 M$, so it would be 7.85 M$ per year, about the same as his previous salary (7,5 M$). It would only yield a compensation of two 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd.

My first reaction was "they can't afford it", now I'm rather thinking "they can't afford not to".

OTOH, even with Weber on board, they can't carry this team just Rinne and him. There doesn't seem to be much prospect wise, and there is nothing left on the team, either on defense or up front (they don't have a first line).

I think they're doomed, short term, wether they match the offer sheet or not. If they don't, there's no guarantee they'll be able to draft worthwhile prospects with the compensation.

Philly was ver, very Savvy in how they are structuring the contract. The preds are worth around 160 Mil. Shea's contract for the first year would be 27 Mil for one player. I don't think the preds can afford that.

I think it is a bad deal all around unless the Flyers are looking to do a sign and trade...

on the other side I do feel the Preds days are numbered as an org.

Fredo456 · 07-22-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Partagaspete

I think it is a bad deal all around unless the Flyers are looking to do a sign and trade...

What do you mean? There's no upside in sacrificing draft picks to sign Weber just to trade him to somebody else.

Unless I misunderstood you...

Ahbroody · 07-23-2012, 04:15 PM

Nash goes to the East on Rangers.

Who's left Semin and Doan? Wonder if Canucks are shopping Luongo.

icehog3 · 07-23-2012, 05:05 PM

Rangers just got a whole lot better.

I don't think many teams will take on Luongo's contract. Maybe Tallon in Florida?

My guess is Doan stays in AZ if he can get some assurance that the team's sale will go through, and I can see Semin going KHL.

Bigwaved · 07-23-2012, 05:52 PM

They got Nash for a pick and those three? Wow...that Howson dude in Columbus may not survive that one.

icehog3 · 07-23-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigwaved

They got Nash for a pick and those three? Wow...that Howson dude in Columbus may not survive that one.

The Jackets as a franchise may not....

Bigwaved · 07-23-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

The Jackets as a franchise may not....

It is possible.

Eleven · 07-23-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

The Jackets as a franchise may not....

I don't even care anymore.

Stogeyfish · 07-23-2012, 08:58 PM

The Stanley Cup is coming to my work on Wednesday! Woo Hoo!

We can touch it but aren't allowed to lift it off the table.

icehog3 · 07-23-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stogeyfish

The Stanley Cup is coming to my work on Wednesday! Woo Hoo!

We can touch it but aren't allowed to lift it off the table.

Get a picture of you touching it, Don, we can make a collage.

icehog3 · 07-23-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleven

I don't even care anymore.

If I was a CBJ fan, I wouldn't either....terrible, terrible trade.

icehog3 · 07-24-2012, 03:10 PM

Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber.

Bigwaved · 07-24-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber.

07-18-2012, 01:02 PM	#1602
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread I'm pretty sure Homer is retiring. At least I hope so. Can't hold a roster spot for a PP specialist who will play 8 min/game. His skating ability has lacked for years. Now it's a huge liability. Concerning free agency, you might be right. The Wings might be in a position where they don't want to get locked into a really bad contract just to fill a roster spot. Is Doan worth $30+ million for 4 years at 35? No. I'd like to see him come here but that's reportedly what an Easter conf team has offered him. I hope the Wings don't throw that kind of money at him. I'd rather wait and see who else we can get in FA or via trade. If no major moves then maybe they will struggle for a year or two and pick in the middle of the 1st round for the first time in 20 years. __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

07-19-2012, 09:59 AM	#1603
Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread Sounds like the Flyers offered Weber 14 years for ~$100 million. Will Nashville match or let him walk and take the 4 first round picks. Would be tough for Nashville to lose their entire top blue line, I imagine.

07-19-2012, 10:31 AM	#1604
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread I don't see how the Preds can not match the offer sheet, I think their fans will freak if they do not. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-19-2012, 04:46 PM	#1606
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread Going to be interesting. If they don't lock him up the team is now a goalie and fans will be destroyed and I imagine attendance will drop. What is interesting is the Philly Pronger deal and I think the over 4 mill per year they are on the hook for until 2016 if he retires. Is it more then that? Funny I know atleast one team in desperate need that was going to make a big push for him next year based on what fans were writing. Next years big free agent is already going to get locked up it appears.

07-23-2012, 04:15 PM	#1610
Ahbroody Daddy x 4 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: San Jose Posts: 3,708 Trading: (53)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread Nash goes to the East on Rangers. Who's left Semin and Doan? Wonder if Canucks are shopping Luongo.

07-23-2012, 05:05 PM	#1611
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread Rangers just got a whole lot better. I don't think many teams will take on Luongo's contract. Maybe Tallon in Florida? My guess is Doan stays in AZ if he can get some assurance that the team's sale will go through, and I can see Semin going KHL. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

07-23-2012, 05:52 PM	#1612
Bigwaved 99 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lilliput Posts: 812 Trading: (3)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread They got Nash for a pick and those three? Wow...that Howson dude in Columbus may not survive that one.

07-23-2012, 08:58 PM	#1616
Stogeyfish Barney's Life Matters Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Donald Location: Torrance Posts: 819 Trading: (2)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread The Stanley Cup is coming to my work on Wednesday! Woo Hoo! We can touch it but aren't allowed to lift it off the table. __________________ "XXXXXX is my current fav (food) but a hot dog is like steak when eaten with my brothers!" - RenoB

07-24-2012, 03:10 PM	#1619
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,305 Trading: (60)	Re: NHL '11 - '12 Thread Preds matched Philly's offer sheet to Shea Weber. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!