Connecticut Wrap's - Page 6

10-04-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

I like the way you have continued to bump your own thread and the mature way in which it has developed. Tark may say your not a newbie but you sure act like one. If you have nothing to learn about our hobby and have all the answers, why even bother to come here?

Look, no one is saying the wrapper doesn't matter. Neither Greg nor I implied that wrapper doesn't matter. It plays a part in the blend for sure and changing it does have an effect on the taste. But when talking about thick RG cigars the change is much more subtle because of the size and isn't as drastic as what you are saying. Maybe the filler in the 601s is tweaked across the line, I don't know honestly, but if you take the same filler blend and stick a different wrapper on it the changes aren't going to be very significant.

Why do you think so many people here start shifting to smaller RG cigars? It couldn't possibly be because you taste more of the wrappers flavor could it!?

Feel free to continue your sandwich banter now

Wow that was very enlightening...Thanks for the explanation on the real deal on wrappers. Glad you set Red straight. I need to pay more attention on this site so many knowledgeable cigar guys on here willing to help out a newb.

VirtualSmitty · 10-04-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Paint

Wow that was very enlightening...Thanks for the explanation on the real deal on wrappers. Glad you set Red straight. I need to pay more attention on this site so many knowledgeable cigar guys on here willing to help out a newb.

Try it sometime. Swap the wrappers off two cigars you like that have different wrapper leafs and tell me you much of a difference you notice

10-04-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty

Try it sometime. Swap the wrappers off two cigars you like that have different wrapper leafs and tell me you much of a difference you notice

I wont do that with cigars i like ,i cant roll them back up. Why do all the 601's taste so different ,if they are only different by the wrappers? Has to be something too that!

VirtualSmitty · 10-04-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Paint

I wont do that with cigars i like ,i cant roll them back up. Why do all the 601's taste so different ,if they are only different by the wrappers? Has to be something too that!

Why not? It's not that hard and you might learn something from it. Like I said earlier before this this thread became sandwich banter, I don't know about the 601 blends, there could well be differences in the blend. Greg mentioned they were all the same, i've never smoked one so I can't be sure. All i'm trying to do is point out that the wrapper doesn't have as much impact on the flavor as what red is saying on thick RG cigars. It contributes to the flavor but it doesn't dominate it. If your not willing to try it for yourself, next time your at a herf do a blind taste test and see how well you do.

pnoon · 10-04-2009, 12:17 PM

There seems to be a trend, evident in this thread, of turning a serious discussion about cigars into meaningless drivel. Some folks are repeat offenders and have certainly gained some unwanted attention. An occasional joke or diversion is fun but if the salient points are drowned out, the value of any informations is lost.

Keep this one on track or it's done.

10-04-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

There seems to be a trend, evident in this thread, of turning a serious discussion about cigars into meaningless drivel. Some folks are repeat offenders and have certainly gained some unwanted attention. An occasional joke or diversion is fun but if the salient points are drowned out, the value of any informations is lost.

Keep this one on track or it's done.

itsme_timd · 10-04-2009, 12:46 PM

I am fairly new to CA, but not new to cigars or the forums. There have been a LOT of people on here that have been very friendly, welcoming and generous to me here - a lot of great folks here for sure. But I have to wonder why some FOGs on forums feel the need to call "n00b" if the person is someone they don't personally know? Or why do they feel their opinion holds any more merit than the others?

The initial responses from both NCRadioMan and pnoon were condescending and sarcastic. Smitty seemed to be discussing the topic but then comes on to yell NOOB!

pnoon, when Red said to try the wrapper test yourself your reply was to say "that settles it" and then toss in a

for good measure. Why? Red made a good point. If the 601's all have the exact same blend, and the wrappers make very little difference, then why do the 601's all taste so different from each other? Seems like a pretty darn good question to me.

Three years in the business is really not that long, I've been in my industry for 10 years now and I've still got plenty to learn. I know B&M owners that have been in the business for 15-20 years, and they still ask me things. Not that I know MORE than they do, but I may know something DIFFERENT than they do - we learn from each other.

The thread went into chicken and sandwich 'drivel' because a couple of the FOGs here made it clear that the opinions of the n00bs we're invalid. Red made a statement in his OP, some didn't agree with it, but the conversation was going fine until a couple people got sarcastic and started calling names - and it wasn't the noob that did it.

10-04-2009, 12:47 PM

Wrappers are 100% of the flavor I don't care what you say LOL ...that's what I've been saying the whole time cuz I'm dumb and ignorant and that's what I really believe. If you take the wrapper off the cigar then has zero flavor. Infact I think all cigars are the same binder and filler And the only thing different is the wrappers ..I'm done now with this thread... Thx for your time
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Tarks · 10-04-2009, 12:48 PM

Well said Tim.

pnoon · 10-04-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by itsme_timd

I am fairly new to CA, but not new to cigars or the forums. There have been a LOT of people on here that have been very friendly, welcoming and generous to me here - a lot of great folks here for sure. But I have to wonder why some FOGs on forums feel the need to call "n00b" if the person is someone they don't personally know? Or why do they feel their opinion holds any more merit than the others?

The initial responses from both NCRadioMan and pnoon were condescending and sarcastic. Smitty seemed to be discussing the topic but then comes on to yell NOOB!

pnoon, when Red said to try the wrapper test yourself your reply was to say "that settles it" and then toss in a

for good measure. Why? Red made a good point. If the 601's all have the exact same blend, and the wrappers make very little difference, then why do the 601's all taste so different from each other? Seems like a pretty darn good question to me.

Much can be lost in internet communication. My reply was in response to Red's statement that "wrapper makes a HUGE difference. Plain and simple" I found that to be a rather condescending statement. Hence my reply. Red's no expert. Nor am I. But I do recognize when someone purports to have the answer to the exclusion of other opinions.

Jbailey · 10-04-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yes, the wrapper can make a slight difference in taste (50rg and under) but not strength. And for the record, I don' think the 601 green isn't that spicy as compared to the corojo Red 601. A little more rich with the oscuro than anything. It's that subjective and taste thing. That's just my opinion after being in the industry for 3 years.

I do believe taste is subjective. If I had to break down the 601 line from mild to strong it would be Blue, Black, Red, Green. I got a few different 601's that I'm tempted to swap some wrappers around. The RG does have a lot to do when it comes to the wrapper. The San Cristobal line is a great example since it's the same blend across the board except the "Guajiro" which has a different one. So taste and compare some different size San Cristobal's and it might be a surprise.

After working at a cigar shop for a few years and getting to know the regulars really well it's interesting how some people pick up different flavors or gravitate towards certain cigars. I had smokers that either smoked the whole 601 line to just one from the line.

Another one to discuss would be the Padron base line which I believe is the same blend. Comparing the natural to the maduro there is a small difference in flavor.

10-04-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Much can be lost in internet communication. My reply was in response to Red's statement that "wrapper makes a HUGE difference. Plain and simple" I found that to be a rather condescending statement. Hence my reply. Red's no expert. Nor am I. But I do recognize when someone purports to have the answer to the exclusion of other opinions.

Its just cuz I'm a "pnoob" and you gotta take sides with the fog's no biggiy I understand you conviction..shut er down and give me infractions
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pnoon · 10-04-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Its just cuz I'm a "pnoob" and you gotta take sides with the fog's no biggiy I understand you conviction..shut er down and give me infractions
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pnoob -

nobody has to take sides with a FOG just because he's a FOG.
I can shut the thread down if you wish.
give you infractions-none warranted here

10-04-2009, 01:04 PM

Can we start a chicken banter...cuz that was the most fun I've had in a while

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pnoon · 10-04-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Can we start a chicken banter...cuz that was the most fun I've had in a while

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Sure. But this thread is not the place for it.

10-04-2009, 02:23 PM

ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me.

10-04-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me.

Red pay attention wrappers give very little flavor.Wow you are slow.

SmoknTaz · 10-04-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paint

Red pay attention wrappers give very little flavor.Wow you are slow.

red is being serious, let the guy speak, I'm interested in what others opinion on the 1926 are. I haven't been too impressed with these.

10-04-2009, 03:58 PM

Man they're harsh on the noobs on this site.

VirtualSmitty · 10-04-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doom

Man they harsh on the noobs on this site.

Not really. Just don't act like Red and you be good

10-04-2009, 12:17 PM	#105
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Connecticut Wrap's There seems to be a trend, evident in this thread, of turning a serious discussion about cigars into meaningless drivel. Some folks are repeat offenders and have certainly gained some unwanted attention. An occasional joke or diversion is fun but if the salient points are drowned out, the value of any informations is lost. Keep this one on track or it's done. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

10-04-2009, 12:46 PM	#107
itsme_timd Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Tim Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 338 Trading: (3)	Re: Connecticut Wrap's I am fairly new to CA, but not new to cigars or the forums. There have been a LOT of people on here that have been very friendly, welcoming and generous to me here - a lot of great folks here for sure. But I have to wonder why some FOGs on forums feel the need to call "n00b" if the person is someone they don't personally know? Or why do they feel their opinion holds any more merit than the others? The initial responses from both NCRadioMan and pnoon were condescending and sarcastic. Smitty seemed to be discussing the topic but then comes on to yell NOOB! pnoon, when Red said to try the wrapper test yourself your reply was to say "that settles it" and then toss in a for good measure. Why? Red made a good point. If the 601's all have the exact same blend, and the wrappers make very little difference, then why do the 601's all taste so different from each other? Seems like a pretty darn good question to me. Three years in the business is really not that long, I've been in my industry for 10 years now and I've still got plenty to learn. I know B&M owners that have been in the business for 15-20 years, and they still ask me things. Not that I know MORE than they do, but I may know something DIFFERENT than they do - we learn from each other. The thread went into chicken and sandwich 'drivel' because a couple of the FOGs here made it clear that the opinions of the n00bs we're invalid. Red made a statement in his OP, some didn't agree with it, but the conversation was going fine until a couple people got sarcastic and started calling names - and it wasn't the noob that did it.

10-04-2009, 12:47 PM	#108
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Connecticut Wrap's Wrappers are 100% of the flavor I don't care what you say LOL ...that's what I've been saying the whole time cuz I'm dumb and ignorant and that's what I really believe. If you take the wrapper off the cigar then has zero flavor. Infact I think all cigars are the same binder and filler And the only thing different is the wrappers ..I'm done now with this thread... Thx for your time Posted via Mobile Device

10-04-2009, 12:48 PM	#109
Tarks Need to make a purchase!! Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Winnipeg Posts: 294 Trading: (2)	Re: Connecticut Wrap's Well said Tim.

10-04-2009, 01:04 PM	#114
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Connecticut Wrap's Can we start a chicken banter...cuz that was the most fun I've had in a while Posted via Mobile Device

10-04-2009, 02:23 PM	#116
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Connecticut Wrap's ok so can i ask is the padron 1926's the same blend or different... one wrapper is maduro and one is natural...they are both very different to me. Last edited by Red; 10-04-2009 at 02:31 PM.

10-04-2009, 03:58 PM	#119
Doom Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Connecticut Wrap's Man they're harsh on the noobs on this site.