Tom Brady

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by AdamJoshua

Yes, I agree, it could go either way though. In this entire situation Brady refusing to turn over his phone or give them access to his texts is the only really damning thing to him personally. I would have said that I have noods of my wife on there and I don't want to delete them and you aren't going to see them.

Yeah, because where else can one find nekkid pictures of Giselle?

[AdamJoshua]

Some excuse is better than no excuse!

[AdamJoshua]

This is a very interesting read, while I doesn't say the Pats are the only cheaters, it points that they could very well be the best at cheating, the interesting bit to me was the lack of Patriots fumbles from 2007 on. In 2006 the league changed the rules with the team on offense supplying the balls home and away, Manning and Brady both pushed for this as well as other players, so this isn't "oh the Patriots only wanted it for this reason", that aside, the number of fumbles SINCE that rule change for the Pats are almost impossibly low, this was also their run as a dynasty, the team that wins the turnover battle usually come out on top, as proven.

Excellent quick read and the links off to stats, etc.,


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-them-a-target

Link to the Patriots stats on turnovers..

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...er_a_2006.html



Spoiler- Remember 2007 is when the offense started to supply their own footballs.

[Porch Dweller]

You gotta keep in mind, though, that Belichek is utterly unforgiving of fumblers. Everyone on that team knows that if they put the ball on the ground they may not touch it again for weeks.

[AdamJoshua]

Originally Posted by Porch Dweller

You gotta keep in mind, though, that Belichek is utterly unforgiving of fumblers. Everyone on that team knows that if they put the ball on the ground they may not touch it again for weeks.

That MUST be it.

I suspect in that case, that the numbers won't change in the next couple of seasons.

[icehog3]

Again with the math? Jiminy crickets.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Again with the math? Jiminy crickets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

[icehog3]

Yes! Yes! What about the children?!

[Porch Dweller]

"Integrity of the administration"? You mean the NFL administration that would have swept the Ray Rice incident under the table if it hadn't been for TMZ getting the footage? Yeah, they're a beacon of integrity. And I could type dozens of more examples, but won't waste my time. People either realize that the "Integrity of the administration" is a joke or willfully turn a blind eye to it so they can continue to enjoy football.

I know that I'm a cynical bastage, but I find it hard to believe that people actually think professional sports leagues act out of anything except for self-interest. I hate to burst people's bubbles, but when BILLIONS of dollars are at stake, people look for any advantage they can get. Hell, people will do that when hundreds of dollars are at stake.

And maybe it's my cynicism at work again, but when incidents occur - like Brady's Balls (phrasing) and there's an outcry of naive, self-righteous indignation over it, I can only shake my head at the cognitive dissonance that people engage in in order to avoid the truth about their favorite sport. Ray Lewis knows who savagely murdered two men, yet won't divulge that information to police in order to give the families of the slain closure and peace. Yet Ravens fans just kept cheering him on as he did his stupid, spastic dance before games. I found that disgusting. Ravens fans didn't...or did, yet wouldn't admit it to themselves as long as Lewis kept playing well.

Aaron Rodgers flat-out bragged about sneaking over-inflated balls into games. Unlike the NFL report on Brady with its constant use of "probably", and "perhaps", and "may have", and "possibly", Rodgers is unequivocally guilty of the infraction you all seem so upset about (lawsuits? REALLY?!?). No one cares. Packers fans on this board, do you care? Packers fans' response.

As for "role models", I'll defer to George Carlin: "If your kid needs a role model and you ain't it, you're both ----ed."

If truly guilty, should Brady be punished? Sure. But to be blunt, some of the punishments people in this thread are advocating are utterly ridiculous (lifetime ban? REALLY?!?).

And, with that, I think I'm done with this topic. No offense meant to anyone, and peace...

[dijit]

Yes I mean the NFL administration. They are the ones that will suspend a player for 4 games then 10 then lifetime for smoking a joint "because it presents the wrong image to our youth." Ricky Williams suspensions. I also understand that when there is $$ involved whether it be $ or $$$$$$ corruption is inevitable. I just want the NFL to act within reasonable bounds across the board. If drug use is against the law and warrants a 4 game suspension then ignoring a different rule printed in the same rule book should warrant a like penalty. I also agree those crying for a lifetime ban or suspension or hanging or firing squad need to take a vallium and reflect a little bit on reality. Finally no matter what anyone does children have hero's and role models besides their parents especially in this day of sensationalizing everything. My kids think their parents are their role models and then still have sports heroes they follow and whether I like to admit it or not they do impact their lives to some degree.

Maybe I am just the oddity that sees both sides of this and thinks the extremes to both sides are wrong.

[Blueface]

Right or wrong, problem is outside of a New England fan, the world seems to hate Brady. As much as I am on that majority side, repeated winners are hated. Repeated winners that are cheaters are hated yet more. Few outside a New England fan is sad by this development/findings.
As much as I am a Yankees fan, A-Rod is a cheater. Can't defend or respect him, regardless of level of punishment dished to him.

[Subvet642]

We can't have anyone that much better than anyone else, can we?

Small people HATE to see others achieve because it diminishes them by comparison. It's Communist; you know, a hive mentality. No one must stand out. No one should be allowed any more honors than his brother. Everything belongs to the collective, body and soul, like insects. So what happens? Brady will be destroyed by the collective for his greatness and nothing more. They're like the football equivalent of Antonio Salieri. History has demonstrated many times before that collective mediocrity will always try to destroy individual greatness; not unlike the James Caan character in "Rollerball". And again I ask: what about the under-inflated game balls of Indianapolis that day?

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

We can't have anyone that much better than anyone else, can we?

Small people HATE to see others achieve because it diminishes them by comparison. It's Communist; you know, a hive mentality.

The nail the sticks out must be banged back down...

[AdamJoshua]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

We can't have anyone that much better than anyone else, can we?

Small people HATE to see others achieve because it diminishes them by comparison.

The Steelers won plenty of Superbowls and most people LOVE Bradshaw, he's a lovable country bumpkin with smoking hot daughters, I think the point is people see Brady as coddled and treated with white kid gloves. Tom got hurt change the rules, speaking of which is the tuck rule even a rule anymore, I think they used it for that one game and got rid of it, but it was more than enough to save the Patriots asses in that game.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Small people HATE to see others achieve because it diminishes them by comparison. It's Communist; you know, a hive mentality. No one must stand out. No one should be allowed any more honors than his brother. Everything belongs to the collective, body and soul, like insects. So what happens? Brady will be destroyed by the collective for his greatness and nothing more. They're like the football equivalent of Antonio Salieri. History has demonstrated many times before that collective mediocrity will always try to destroy individual greatness; not unlike the James Caan character in "Rollerball". And again I ask: what about the under-inflated game balls of Indianapolis that day?

Ho-lee crap. If you listen close enough, one can almost hear the construction of Brady's cross. You'll have to concentrate though, as Darren's indignation almost drowns it out. Almost.

[mosesbotbol]

The penalties should reflect the Pats as a whole, not Tom Brady. Draft pick and a fine is appropriate.

[shilala]

The Borg. Ugh. I hate those hive bastages.

[The Poet]

Darren, you contend it is unfair to penalize Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot. OK. Does it not logically follow that it is equally unfair to coddle Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot?

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Darren, you contend it is unfair to penalize Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot. OK. Does it not logically follow that it is equally unfair to coddle Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot?

Bingo.
He is handsome, rich, talented, has won Super Bowls, has a Super Model wife so you love him.
He is handsome, rich, talented, has won Super Bowls, has a Super Model wife so you hate him.

Chit happens.

Someone commented on Bradshaw earlier. Seriously, who can hate him.? Guy is a nut job and a pisser. He lacks handsome and Super Model wife and therefore is only rich, talented and has won Super Bowls so therefore must be loved.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Darren, you contend it is unfair to penalize Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot. OK. Does it not logically follow that it is equally unfair to coddle Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot?

That would defy logic; I stated no such thing. I stated that it was unjust to convict ANYONE based on ambiguities.

This is what I wrote:

"Ya know, I don't really watch football much but injustice bothers me, a lot. I would hate to be subject to punishment of any kind based on something as flimsy as "probably" or "generally". We're taking about possibly many thousands of dollars in fines. If you're going to reach into someone's pocket, it is monstrously unjust to do it without actual proof, otherwise it's just robbery."