Tom Brady

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Ya know, I don't really watch football, much but injustice bothers me, a lot. I would hate to be subject to punishment of any kind based on something as flimsy as "probably" or "generally". We're taking about possibly many thousands of dollars in fines. If you're going to reach into someone's pocket, it is monstrously unjust to do it without actual proof, otherwise it's just robbery. And to hide behind quasi-legal ambiguity is beyond cowardly. The Pats were found guilty because the 31 other owners wanted it that way, period. If you can't beat them on the field, then beat them in the Boardroom.

This anger is just an adjunct to all kinds of other, non-related anger.

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I don't feel any punishment should happen to Tom Brady. If NFL wants to fine the Pats or take a draft pick; that's fine. In the end the NFL knows this was just low lying fruit for them to save face with all the bad publicity they've had in recent years.

Take down your crown jewels to pretend there's integrity to the league... What a joke.

Again, I can't help but wonder what you said about A-Rod.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Again, I can't help but wonder what you said about A-Rod.

He's a purse slapping Yankee. Isn't that enough? But he wouldn't make a patch in Jeter's @ss. Jeter's a class act, A-Rod, not so much.

Seeing as this whole thing was precipitated through a sting by Indianapolis, they better check the fans at Gillette for batteries when Indy comes to town.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

He's a purse slapping Yankee. Isn't that enough? But he wouldn't make a patch in Jeter's @ss. Jeter's a class act, A-Rod, not so much.

Seeing as it was precipitated through a sting by Indianapolis, they better check the fans at Gillette for batteries when Indy comes to town.

Three points here to address.

First, I don't like A-Rod, and won't defend him, beyond saying that giving him 3X the punishment meted out to those who DID fail a PED test when he DID NOT seemed extreme, especially when this punishment was largely based upon the testimony of a confessed criminal who offered his testimony to ameliorate his own punishment by throwing A-Rod under the bus. But to accuse the NFL of going after Brady because he is a Patriot while simultaneously applauding MLB for going after A-Rod because he is a Yankee is specious nonsense, especially in light of the fact that A-Rod's only truly documented violation of PED use occurred when he was a Ranger, not a Yankee.

Second, no one in their right mind would put A-Rod's reputation on the same plane as Jeter's. Such would be nearly as foolish as was the 2006 assertions by Red Sox fans that Papelbom was a better closer than Rivera.

Lastly, be it offered jokingly or not, the threat of a violent unsportsmanlike reaction by Pats fans the next time the Colts visit Gillette is disturbing. However, given a history of such actions in Boston venues in the past, such a warning is not surprising in the least. Admittedly, Boston fans are not alone in this, but they certainly have an established track record of bad behavior.

[mhailey]

Tom cheated. period. That others have cheated as well is irrelevant as to whether or not he cheated. He should have his ring taken, fined, and forced to sit out a year without pay.

If I were a Colt player/owner/stakeholder I would sue Brady and the Patriots for fraud.

As to whether he should be punished based upon the assertion that he "probably" did this ....... well ..... that is the legal standard. Probable means it is more likely than not. It is the same standard when a person is sued in civil court. OJ Simpson was acquitted criminally because the standard was "beyond a reasonable doubt" but was found guilty civilly because the standard was "preponderance of the evidence" (or "more likely than not").

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by mhailey

...OJ Simpson was acquitted criminally because the standard was "beyond a reasonable doubt" but was found guilty civilly because the standard was "preponderance of the evidence" (or "more likely than not").

At least the prosecutors in the O.J. case HAD evidence; The NFL doesn't. Furthermore, in a court of law, BOTH sides get to present evidence to an impartial jury or judge. The NFL was not REMOTELY impartial. The NFL ignored the science. Hell, we did the math right here on the Asylum and the math shows that it WAS the temperature that accounted for the pressure discrepancy. If WE can find it, then the NFL must have ignored it. Also, what about the under-inflated Indianapolis game balls? Three of their four were under-inflated. Oh yeah, That's right, nevermind.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Three points here to address.

First, I don't like A-Rod, and won't defend him, beyond saying that giving him 3X the punishment meted out to those who DID fail a PED test when he DID NOT seemed extreme, especially when this punishment was largely based upon the testimony of a confessed criminal who offered his testimony to ameliorate his own punishment by throwing A-Rod under the bus. But to accuse the NFL of going after Brady because he is a Patriot while simultaneously applauding MLB for going after A-Rod because he is a Yankee is specious nonsense, especially in light of the fact that A-Rod's only truly documented violation of PED use occurred when he was a Ranger, not a Yankee.

Second, no one in their right mind would put A-Rod's reputation on the same plane as Jeter's. Such would be nearly as foolish as was the 2006 assertions by Red Sox fans that Papelbom was a better closer than Rivera.

Lastly, be it offered jokingly or not, the threat of a violent unsportsmanlike reaction by Pats fans the next time the Colts visit Gillette is disturbing. However, given a history of such actions in Boston venues in the past, such a warning is not surprising in the least. Admittedly, Boston fans are not alone in this, but they certainly have an established track record of bad behavior.

Papelbon isn't even as good a human being as Mo, few are; another class act. I wasn't threatening anything; I was just pointing out what is already well known: Boston fans are insane and now they're pissed-off. Up here, sports are like war.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Papelbon isn't even as good a human being as Mo, few are; another class act. I wasn't threatening anything; I was just pointing out what is already well known: Boston fans are insane and now they're pissed-off. Up here, sports are like war.

Darren, my friend, I did not in any way think you were uttering threats, and understood you referred to that certain nutbag segment of fans who can embarrass any franchise, from the pros down to T-ball. And I appreciate your honesty and candor as expressed here.

Well it's not quite as bad a problem here in the NYC area, despite the fact that we have more nuts and drunks than do most places. Perhaps it is because the 9 pro teams in the 4 major sports so split loyalties as to water it down somewhat, or perhaps it is because we are so jaundiced we just don't give a $#!+.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Darren, my friend, I did not in any way think you were uttering threats, and understood you referred to that certain nutbag segment of fans who can embarrass any franchise, from the pros down to T-ball. And I appreciate your honesty and candor as expressed here.

Well it's not quite as bad a problem here in the NYC area, despite the fact that we have more nuts and drunks than do most places. Perhaps it is because the 9 pro teams in the 4 major sports so split loyalties as to water it down somewhat, or perhaps it is because we are so jaundiced we just don't give a $#!+.

It's all good, Thomas. We know we're psycho. I suppose sports is the only thing Bostonians can agree on; otherwise we'd kill each other. We get a little cranky.

Cheating is cheating - period. The excuse by those at the top that they didn't know is a weak attempt to avoid responsibility. The owners, manager and QB need to man-up and take responsibility rather than slither away and let the worker bees take the heat. This goes for any team, any sport. It is very unlikely that the equipment guys did the deflating on their own. Sad that fans will support cheaters at all costs and minimize any wrong-doing. IMHO, this seriously tarnishes the status of a Super Bowl.
In many other sports, cheating of any kind can and does negate a win. Armstrong won by cheating and was stripped of his medals. In the Olympics, cheaters are stripped of medals. Why not the NFL? My fav teams are Denver and Tampa Bay, but if they cheated, they would deserve to be stripped of the win. Nobody should be exempted. My