iPhone Sucks and Apple are Bastards

[King James]

At least consider android or blackberry over WiMo.

Sorry about your bad experience w/ Apple, I've never had anything but positive experiences with their genius bar/customer service

[King James]

could you not get apple care on the replacement phone?

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by King James

could you not get apple care on the replacement phone?

That is correct. The extended warranty counts from the original purchase only. Earlier repies on getting Apple Care wouldn't have matter in the end for me.

Any phone suggestions are welcome. I plan to go to T-Mobile.

My needs:

Media Player
Good Web Browsing
Strong - Carry in my back pocket on the bike and get's moist while riding
Foreign Travel - Go to Europe
Touch Screen - like that one
Visual Voicemail - iPhone's best feature
Qwerty Keyboard - I think I need this. Looks better to SMS
Quality Feel - pure aesthetic and vanity reasons. Want something of reasonable quality.

[jmsremax]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

That is correct. The extended warranty counts from the original purchase only. Earlier repies on getting Apple Care wouldn't have matter in the end for me.

Any phone suggestions are welcome. I plan to go to T-Mobile.

My needs:

Media Player
Good Web Browsing
Strong - Carry in my back pocket on the bike and get's moist while riding
Foreign Travel - Go to Europe
Touch Screen - like that one
Visual Voicemail - iPhone's best feature
Qwerty Keyboard - I think I need this. Looks better to SMS
Quality Feel - pure aesthetic and vanity reasons. Want something of reasonable quality.

You should look at Verizon and the Droid.

[King James]

Originally Posted by jmsremax

You should look at Verizon and the Droid.

I have a Droid and like it. Word is the iPhone is coming to Verizon, but I'm almost positive Moses would not be interested in that! hah

I am anti-Apple...I think Steve Jobs has a God complex...the iPhone, don't get why I need it...so what if it has an app that makes it a whoopee-cushion, how is that useful...I do LOVE my BlackBerry, I cannot imagine going too anything else...look at one of those. I have had mine for slightly over two years, never once has an issue arised that is not something that the tech-retarded people like me cannot fix, even without the manual....

[newcigarz]

Sorry to hear of your problems.

I have an original Apple iphone purchased the second day they were available, I have never had a second of trouble with it.

[floydpink]

My neighbor is a computer wiz and unlocked his Iphone and uses it on T=Mobile and is always offering to do stuff to mine, but I tell him to stay away as I like it like it is.

Just got the Otterbox defender off Ebay for 32 bucks shipped as opposed to the 60 they are charging in the Att&T store.

I have guys at work who won't use Iphones due to their complaints about how it runs certain business apps that I don't know about or use.

For me, it's cool and keeps me all nice and organized and that's worth the price.

[systm]

Just A couple of things, Think of it as food for thought.
Sprint IS rolling out what they are calling "4G" but it's really just a supplement to 3G called WIMAX. While down the road it will be faster, the speeds will be nice and the coverage will be substantial, don't expect that when the Evo launches. While that phone is quite sexy in terms of phones, it's just a hybrid love-child of the HD2 for Tmo and the Google Nexus One/HTC Desire.

3G is and still will be the way to go for the next few years. If you do plan on getting locked into a carriers two year-we-own-your-soul contract, there is nothing to worry about other then a high bill every month unless you have one of the aforementioned discounts.

The iPhone, while a quite nice phone, does what every other TRUE smart phone does. It was magical when it first came out, now it's just a one trick pony that is striving to stay on top. Android, RIM's BlackBerry and the soon to be released Windows 7 Phone(s) are going to be taking away from Apple's market share.

Android so far has taken a pretty good chunk out, and is only going to get better once Google is able to hit em where it hurts, Flash and a robust media capable release. Right now the biggest draw back for Android and all the releases are two fold. There is too much diversity when it comes to versions of the OS; Currently 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, & 2.1. The second problem is that while it is excellent at multitasking, Gmail sync, etc, it is a terrible media device. No real sync solution or excellent media player. It has one, but nothing on the level that is comparable to Apple's iDevices.

Sorry if that was a bit long, but there is a lot of information out there.

My Recomendation?
Nexus One for T-Mobile or AT&T @ www.google.com/phone
Wait for the N1 for Verizon to Hit
Wait for the yet unannounced HTC "Incredible"
Get the Motorola Droid
Wait for the EVO for Sprint, But do not op for 4G service unless in a 4G market.

If your abroad (Europe, Asia, etc. Not US)
HTC Desire if you want a larger screen and slimmer device
HTC Legend if you want a solid phone.
Nothing Agains RIM's BB but android is the way to go up till now. Nor am I against Apple's products. Snatched up a 2G 16GB iPhone on ebay and use it off and on via T-mobile. It's nice to have easy to use media player, but the lack of multitasking is a killer.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by systm

The iPhone, while a quite nice phone, does what every other TRUE smart phone does. It was magical when it first came out, now it's just a one trick pony that is striving to stay on top. Android, RIM's BlackBerry and the soon to be released Windows 7 Phone(s) are going to be taking away from Apple's market share.

I would agree with this statement regarding Droid and Win7 based phones, but not regarding Blackberry. Of all the current smart phones on the market, BB is the least functional and is the only one I'd classify as a one trick pony. In fact I'd classify it as borderline obsolete and it will soon be a dying pony if RIM doesn't pull on their innovation panties and come up with a new device in very short order. Despite being essentially nothing more than an email enabled PDA, the BB has survived, basically unchanged, as the defacto smart phone for business applications since it was launched almost a decade ago for two simple reasons:

1) BES integration into MS Exchange
2) corporate inertia towards large scale changes

BB is only just starting to break into the consumer space, and is most failing against the iPhone (and now the Droid's) simply because as a platform it's too focused on business productivity. Since it's introduction it's been basically a glorified Palm Pilot that does over-the-air email/calendar/contacts sync'ing, everything else a smart phone does is a kludge or a hack or both on a BB....... and "everything else" is something which most non-business users care about on at least an equal footing with with email and calendar (probably more). Until RIM manages to innovate a new non-business consumer orientated phone they won't get significant market penetration outside their core area of strength, the corporate enterprise market.

Retaining the corporate market is going to become a major concern for RIM because of one technology: ActiveSync. A true push email/calendar/contacts integration system used to be the sole domain of BES, and it was that mechanism alone that made the BB the ubiquitous corporate device that it currently is. However now that ActiveSync is embedded in Exchange, and included in your Exchange licensing costs unlike BES which is a pricey add-on, it's child's play to set up a true push sync with any iPhone, Droid or Win7 phone. No longer are you tied to a BB if you want your corporate email/calendar/contact, and all the recent survey's I've seen have indicated roughly 7 of 10 current BB users are planning to switch to an iPhone or Droid when their current phone contract expires. When 70% of your customer base is saying they want to switch from your product at their next opportunity, you'd be well advised as a company to sit up and pay attention!

The iPhone, Droid and Win7 phones all have FAR better, more usable interface and RIM's attempt to implement a similar device (the Storm) were not well received because the accuracy of the touch screen was horrible. Similarly finding apps for a Blackberry, surfing the web, etc. are all extremely painful on a BB. While there are certainly hundreds of thousands of meaningless and trival apps for the iPhone there are still hundreds, if not thousands, of really good apps as well. The same be be the case with the Droid once there's been enough time for developers to build unique apps.

[mosesbotbol]

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

[AD720]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

[macpappy]

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem. I have a friend who has the same Dodge pick up truck that I have (same year, different color) and he has under 75,000 miles on it and has had major engine work done. I have over 96,000 on mine and it's only been in the shop for normal routine maintenance. That doesn't make everything that Dodge makes a piece of crap.

That being said, a lot of people who bought the Iphone did so because it was "the in thing." I personally like Macintosh computers. I've used them since 1986. I have both a Mac desktop and a Macbook Pro. Three of my kids have Macbooks. You could give me a PC but I wouldn't use it. I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by macpappy

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem.

I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

This is my 3rd iPhone, I did not mention that. The other two broke within the warranty period. In the end, all 3 were lemons.

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature". They'll bash how Microsoft writes software yet iTunes has a new version every month. Why couldn't Apple get right after 20th revision? Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

My cousin did tier 2 support for Apple and you should hear his disgust for Apple and their culture. Previous to working for them, he was an Apple proponent.

[Volt]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

...proprietary ...

And that's the reason I'll never buy an Apple product for myself. I gave up proprietary back when I bought my Tandy 286 computer. No more sole source for apps, repairs, additional hardware, etc for me. I have too many needs and want options. Back when I had to price some stuff for wrok I was asked to look at some Apple laptops for the bosses. End result, I showed the Boss I could buy her a new laptop every 2 years for the cost of a comprarable MAC. They just wouldn't have cute Apples and colors on it (back when most M$ types were still black).

BTW, for the fanboyz, I'm not really bashing MAC, I hold the same thoughts to any product I have to buy. Sometimes I am forced into a specific item, but I really try to avoid them.

Sorry you had issues with the Iphone but in some ways most warranties are very similiar. I have to agree with I think it was Jordan, on any item that is used such as a cell that gets carried on the hip, dropped, etc and costs from $200 - $600, I'd get the insurance. I know my work cell which is all I carry, we have insurance on all of them.

[King James]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

I think the iPad may end up surprising you, Moses.... maybe not enough to go out and get one, but its use as an ebook reader alone is pretty impressive if you ever get hands-on with one.

And I'm not sure which microsoft product is better, the iPad sold some 500,000 I think in the first couple days so there has to be something to offer there

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature".

Every product has it's fanboi's, the more niche the product the more rabid and insular (and loud) they tend to be. That's even more so when you're dealing with a company like Apple who's products tend to be highly (read: over) priced fashion accessories/statements for some of their customer base.

Don't get me wrong, Mac is a fabulous OS and if you're a graphics, photography, video or design professional there's nothing better on the market today. However if, like most people, you use your computer primarily for email/web/documents/looking at pictures/watching video, any Windows or Linux based PC can do just as good a job for 50% or less the total cost. For many people that choose Mac, the extra cost simply doesn't matter that much. They're happy to pay the premium for their chosen platform and quietly go on doing their thing, just as most Windows and Linux users do.

For a small subset though they have to try to justify their purchase in their own mind and that expresses itself in the stereotypical "RAH RAH RAH, Mac is so much better than everything else. RAH RAH RAH!!" fanboi-ism that's become associated with Apple people. You see the same thing in the Linux world, just with the cool factor that Mac has replaced by a geek factor. Rarely do you see it with Windows, but that's just because it's hard to get that passionate about something which is the defacto standard and on 95% of the machines out there.

[AD720]

Originally Posted by AD720

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.

[systm]

Originally Posted by AD720

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.

Thats really now irrelevant, they are slowing the update cycle for android. The revisions on the OS are much slower now then they were with 1.0 - 1.6.


If I was looking for a phone I'd look for one that has the features NOW, rather then wait for an update.

I've had the G1 since Day 1 and have been playing with it, ROMS, UIs, and SPLS and I know the average person doesn't want to deal with that. It's not fun, i even bricked my phone once.

Originally Posted by kydsid

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade

I'd like to believe that but the sad truth is that it's not. Windows wont allow the phone to have for something along the lines of having too many keys or not a dedicated bing search key.
Very lame, BUT xda-developers will come through with a work around, just don't expect official support.

[kydsid]

Originally Posted by AD720

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.