iPhone Sucks and Apple are Bastards

[mosesbotbol]

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

[AD720]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Does anyone have the following phones (or knows about them) and care to share their opinions:

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2
Nokia N900
HTC HD2
HTC Google Nexus One

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

[macpappy]

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem. I have a friend who has the same Dodge pick up truck that I have (same year, different color) and he has under 75,000 miles on it and has had major engine work done. I have over 96,000 on mine and it's only been in the shop for normal routine maintenance. That doesn't make everything that Dodge makes a piece of crap.

That being said, a lot of people who bought the Iphone did so because it was "the in thing." I personally like Macintosh computers. I've used them since 1986. I have both a Mac desktop and a Macbook Pro. Three of my kids have Macbooks. You could give me a PC but I wouldn't use it. I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by macpappy

Sigh.
Another bash Apple thread.

The Iphone you bought was a lemon. It happens. Other people have them and use them and don't have the problem.

I don't like Microsoft as much as you guys don't like Apple.

And that being said, I have a Blackberry through T-Mobile.

This is my 3rd iPhone, I did not mention that. The other two broke within the warranty period. In the end, all 3 were lemons.

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature". They'll bash how Microsoft writes software yet iTunes has a new version every month. Why couldn't Apple get right after 20th revision? Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

My cousin did tier 2 support for Apple and you should hear his disgust for Apple and their culture. Previous to working for them, he was an Apple proponent.

[Volt]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

...proprietary ...

And that's the reason I'll never buy an Apple product for myself. I gave up proprietary back when I bought my Tandy 286 computer. No more sole source for apps, repairs, additional hardware, etc for me. I have too many needs and want options. Back when I had to price some stuff for wrok I was asked to look at some Apple laptops for the bosses. End result, I showed the Boss I could buy her a new laptop every 2 years for the cost of a comprarable MAC. They just wouldn't have cute Apples and colors on it (back when most M$ types were still black).

BTW, for the fanboyz, I'm not really bashing MAC, I hold the same thoughts to any product I have to buy. Sometimes I am forced into a specific item, but I really try to avoid them.

Sorry you had issues with the Iphone but in some ways most warranties are very similiar. I have to agree with I think it was Jordan, on any item that is used such as a cell that gets carried on the hip, dropped, etc and costs from $200 - $600, I'd get the insurance. I know my work cell which is all I carry, we have insurance on all of them.

[King James]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Apple comes out with a device that is little to offer (iPad) than their Merlin and people are waiting in line for it. Microsoft has had similar (better) products for years in this space.

I think the iPad may end up surprising you, Moses.... maybe not enough to go out and get one, but its use as an ebook reader alone is pretty impressive if you ever get hands-on with one.

And I'm not sure which microsoft product is better, the iPad sold some 500,000 I think in the first couple days so there has to be something to offer there

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by King James

I think the iPad may end up surprising you, Moses.... maybe not enough to go out and get one, but its use as an ebook reader alone is pretty impressive if you ever get hands-on with one.

And I'm not sure which microsoft product is better, the iPad sold some 500,000 I think in the first couple days so there has to be something to offer there

If Apple said to jump of a bridge, how many would do it first couple of days? Their loyalty is seen as a negative to Wozniak (sp). He feels their blind brand loyalty may hurt their innovation in the end. I read that a few months ago in an interview.

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

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That being said, I like Motorola phones, usually, although I do not currently have one, and have gotten a crappy one here and there. Life goes on.

Motorola phones are durable and I like that. They were also the most innovative brand at times, but have slipped off. My Razor had problems with alphabetizing names and no one had an answer for that. I go back to my Razor when each iPhone dies. I would consider an Motorola product for sure.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

If Apple said to jump of a bridge, how many would do it first couple of days? Their loyalty is seen as a negative to Wozniak (sp). He feels their blind brand loyalty may hurt their innovation in the end. I read that a few months ago in an interview.

Absolutely. At this point, Jobs could take an iCrap in a bag and the Apple faithful would fight for the chance to own it.
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[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

It's not that I dislike Apple so much as disliking the cult of personality the fans have of it. Apple will make something as simple as a headphone jack proprietary and Apple fans see that as a "feature".

Every product has it's fanboi's, the more niche the product the more rabid and insular (and loud) they tend to be. That's even more so when you're dealing with a company like Apple who's products tend to be highly (read: over) priced fashion accessories/statements for some of their customer base.

Don't get me wrong, Mac is a fabulous OS and if you're a graphics, photography, video or design professional there's nothing better on the market today. However if, like most people, you use your computer primarily for email/web/documents/looking at pictures/watching video, any Windows or Linux based PC can do just as good a job for 50% or less the total cost. For many people that choose Mac, the extra cost simply doesn't matter that much. They're happy to pay the premium for their chosen platform and quietly go on doing their thing, just as most Windows and Linux users do.

For a small subset though they have to try to justify their purchase in their own mind and that expresses itself in the stereotypical "RAH RAH RAH, Mac is so much better than everything else. RAH RAH RAH!!" fanboi-ism that's become associated with Apple people. You see the same thing in the Linux world, just with the cool factor that Mac has replaced by a geek factor. Rarely do you see it with Windows, but that's just because it's hard to get that passionate about something which is the defacto standard and on 95% of the machines out there.

[Volt]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

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For a small subset though they have to try to justify their purchase in their own mind and that expresses itself in the stereotypical "RAH RAH RAH, Mac is so much better than everything else. RAH RAH RAH!!" fanboi-ism that's become associated with. You see the same thing in the Linux world, just with the cool factor that Mac has replaced by a geek factor. Rarely do you see it with Windows, but that's just because it's hard to get that passionate about something which is the defacto standard and on 95% of the machines out there.

As a IT type this has been a great thread to follow and I've learned a good bit. You summed it up so well in this statement spot on. People who turn a blind eye to their favorite (pick any item here) scare me. Nothing is perfect. At times on the other hand, they do provide me with many hours of amusement in reading the flame wars at times. Today though, it's been nice to see that hasn't happened here. Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by Volt

Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

Indeed.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by Volt

People who turn a blind eye to their favorite (pick any item here) scare me. Nothing is perfect. At times on the other hand, they do provide me with many hours of amusement in reading the flame wars at times. Today though, it's been nice to see that hasn't happened here. Lot's of good discussion on pro and cons of many phones I have not had a chance to use.

I'd agree, also as an IT type I'm on the server/infrastructure side for a large health authority. We used to be an exclusively Blackberry shop but just recently opened up ActiveSync to iPhone's, basically because of pressure from our users. No Droid's allowed yet, but I'm sure that'll come once enough exec's or doctor's start demanding it. In the last 6 month's we've received maybe 3 or 4 requests to add a Blackberry to the system, everything has been either iPhone or Droid. I personally just ditched my Blackberry in favour of an iPhone (the only Apple product I'll use) because I couldn't stand the limitations of the BB platform anymore. I probably would have gone Droid instead if it'd been an option for syncing with Exchange but c'est la vie.

[AD720]

Originally Posted by AD720

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.

[systm]

Originally Posted by AD720

Also wanted to add that the Nexus One will get the Android OS updates fastest, there is no third party (HTC or Moto) that needs to take the OS update and apply it to their product.

Thats really now irrelevant, they are slowing the update cycle for android. The revisions on the OS are much slower now then they were with 1.0 - 1.6.


If I was looking for a phone I'd look for one that has the features NOW, rather then wait for an update.

I've had the G1 since Day 1 and have been playing with it, ROMS, UIs, and SPLS and I know the average person doesn't want to deal with that. It's not fun, i even bricked my phone once.

Originally Posted by kydsid

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade

I'd like to believe that but the sad truth is that it's not. Windows wont allow the phone to have for something along the lines of having too many keys or not a dedicated bing search key.
Very lame, BUT xda-developers will come through with a work around, just don't expect official support.

[kydsid]

Originally Posted by AD720

Personally I would avoid the HD2. It's the biggest screen, blah, blah but under the hood it's still Win-Mo 6.5. I've been fighting with that OS on 3 different phones for the last 2 years and finally jumped shipped to Android. I don't care how great the hardware is, that OS is crippled. Plus there is NO plan to make it upgradable with WinMo 7. (which could be a lot better than 6.5 but know MSft it won't be - already no multitasking, among other things).

Honestly anything you go to after your iPhone is going to be a rough road. Out of what you mentioned I'd lean toward the N1 I guess, it's stock vanilla Android but there are some folks over at XDA that figured out how to make it run Sense UI.

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

[AD720]

Originally Posted by kydsid

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

I stand corrected, but agree with you on the carrier holding updates back.

I ran SPB Mobile Shell, Manilla 2D, Titanium, Sense UI, you name it. Still doesn't change the fact that underneath that sweet looking UI is laggy, buggy Windows Mobile. I've flashed custom ROMs, lite ROMs, leaked ROMs, hacked ROMs and landed on one I really liked until I realized that the build the chef baked off of was "time-bombed" to quit on May 1 2010. Finally I gave up.

My Eris should be here today. It will be weird not installing those handful of programs Ive been using for 2 years. I just have to hold out until the Incredible specs are confirmed then I will decide between that and the N1.

[aich75013]

Originally Posted by kydsid

Actually the HD2 will get WinMo7. Whether your carrier will do it is another thing. But HTC will be doing an upgrade. And as far as WinMo7 is concerned I have used it and it seems very bloated. Maybe once the custom roms come out it will be better. As for 6.5 put SPB Mobile Shell on it and it is awesome. That said if you are not comfortable putting custom roms or overlay programs on your phone, any WinMo phone is probably not a good idea. What makes them the best IMO is the huge amount of customization available from the community of users.

I agree.
I had a WinMo phone before the iPhone. It was slow and sluggish to the point it pissed me off. That's when I switched to the iPhone. I was much happier.
I wasn't willing to put a custom ROM on it, but from what I heard that was the answer to it being so slow.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by aich75013

I agree.
I had a WinMo phone before the iPhone. It was slow and sluggish to the point it pissed me off. That's when I switched to the iPhone. I was much happier.
I wasn't willing to put a custom ROM on it, but from what I heard that was the answer to it being so slow.

I used winmo for as long as I could stand it. I know everyone likes to compare winmo to iphone, but they aren't anything remotely alike. I can only imagine how windows 7 on a phone will suck, but I'll reserve my opinion until I actually put win7 in my hands.
I've considered jailbreaking my iphone, but I have yet to find a reason to do it. My iphone is more of a toy than a tool to me. I don't rely on it for business, I use my desktop for that, and just use my iphone to augment my desktop in a pinch.
I am definately looking forward to playing with the droid just so I can see what it does in case I can make use of it. So far I have never found a smartphone that does anything well. At least anything I need.
I take that back. I have found a bunch that hang when multitasking, slog through any decent amount of data, and make me want to pull my hair out.
It's been almost a year since I've previewed any smartphones, I'd like to find something new to b!tch about.