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[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Ron1YY

Not scripted. Never though it was or ever will be.

It's not. Just poking fun, as the new Heavyweight champ is a former champ of an organization which does have scripted fights.

Originally Posted by kayaker

If Dana could script UFC fights, Chuck would never lose.

Time for another drink.

True dat. On both accounts.

The object lesson of the night last night...don't give your back to a BJJ black belt...it doesn't end well for you!

I've never seen that many submissions on one card, and the Hazlett sub...OMG, that was sick!

Dana needs to deal with business like a grown up, some of this stuff is getting ridiculous. I don't know why these guys keep taking this stuff to the press...I would expect the crap coming from Dana to come from an athlete, if you look at other major sports the 'organization' in general doesn't come out and attack players like this. I know Dana has done a lot for the UFC, but he has to stop taking this stuff personally, it makes him look retarded.

[Ken]

Pretty good fights.

Umm, what was with the Quarry Maia after fight kiss. Either they are dating or that was very strange.

Hazelett & Florian looked good in their fights. Just don't like Gonzaga, he got fed a can now he wants to look for a title. I say let Couture school him again.

IMO Lesnar caught Courure with an illegal blow,

Not an illegal hit at all.

I wouldn't say it was an illegal hit because I really didn't see it that way from the angles I saw.

I will say that Randy got caught. I didn't think Brock dominated Randy up to the point that he caught him.

Like I said, I'd love to see a rematch. Randy was doing great and I have that "what if" in the back of my mind like I did and the end of the Serra vs. GSP fight

I know it wasn't really an illegal strike, but I'm caught up on wishful thinking.

I don't think he really deserved a title shot yet, I guess if he didn't deserve it he shouldn't have won. It will be interesting to see how he makes out against the winner of Mir vs Nog.

There were lots of great fights last night and we got to see them all.

[Comicbookfreak]

Originally Posted by Ron1YY

I wouldn't say it was an illegal hit because I really didn't see it that way from the angles I saw.

I will say that Randy got caught. I didn't think Brock dominated Randy up to the point that he caught him.

Like I said, I'd love to see a rematch. Randy was doing great and I have that "what if" in the back of my mind like I did and the end of the Serra vs. GSP fight

I agree the shot wasn't illegal.

I disagree that Randy wasn't getting dominated. All Randy could do with Brock was be on his back for most of the first round after getting taken down by Brock. And Randy was an alternate for the Olympics in Greco Roman Wrestling, which shows Brock ability to take down Olympic caliber wrestlers and put them on their back. Other than that all Randy did to Brock was try to hold him against the fence.

I like Randy and think he is a class act. But maybe now people will start to realize just because Brock chose to make a **** load of money in Pro Wrestling in no way mean he isn't a legitimate fighter. Mir better hope he doesn't beat Nog and have to have a rematch against Brock cause I don't see Brock leaving his leg out their for him next time like he did in their first fight, which was only because the ref stood them up after claiming Brock hit Mir in the back of the head when it was Mir who turned his head as the punch was being throw. Up til the point the ref interfered Mir was get his ass handed to him by Brock and was second from the fight being stopped.. Brock trains like an animal and I just don't see Brock getting caught in another leg sub by Mir. Mir also tried to get arm subs on Brock and Brock was just too powerful for Mir to land them. Now Nog / Lesnar would be interesting if Nog doesn't get caught with one of those size 4X canned hams of a hands Brock has and Nog has been proven he can be knocked down. Not sure he could take Brock power either. Looking forward to wither one of these guys fighting Brock.

As far as people saying Brock isn't legit and doesn't deserve a title shot, do you think so now? Bottom line is Brock puts asses in the seats and makes PPV buyrates soar. And in the grand scheme of things this is a business and in business money is the bottom line like it or not.

Originally Posted by Comicbookfreak

I disagree that Randy wasn't getting dominated. All Randy could do with Brock was be on his back for most of the first round after getting taken down by Brock. And Randy was an alternate for the Olympics in Greco Roman Wrestling, which shows Brock ability to take down Olympic caliber wrestlers and put them on their back. Other than that all Randy did to Brock was try to hold him against the fence.

I thought Randy was doing well, and surprised Brock w/ a couple of shots (including one that cut him). Until he was rocked, Randy was avoiding taking damage on the ground and was able to get back up. Brock played the punchers chance and got a big hit in, it was legit and punishing. Randy had taken another big hit on his feet, if anything I think Randy was going w/ a pretty solid game plan to keep Brock tied up in the fence and avoid damage on the ground, a game plan you have to know either Nog or Mir will see.

Originally Posted by Comicbookfreak

As far as people saying Brock isn't legit and doesn't deserve a title shot, do you think so now? Bottom line is Brock puts asses in the seats and makes PPV buyrates soar. And in the grand scheme of things this is a business and in business money is the bottom line like it or not.

I didn't get the feeling that anyone thought Brock wasn't legit, but this isn't just business, it's a sport, and I think it wasn't right to give Brock a title shot for two reasons: a) Noguira holds the interim belt, so consolidating the belt should have been the first priority and b) when your pro record is 2-1, you should have to earn your shot at the title, not get it strictly because you bring in viewers. I don't think there would be any fewer viewers for a card w/ Randy and Nog, or a card with Brock and someone like Cheick Kongo. I don't doubt that he is now the heavyweight champ, but I think it's proof that this is still such a young sport when you get your shot w/ only 3 fights under your belt.

Originally Posted by Comicbookfreak

I agree the shot wasn't illegal.

I disagree that Randy wasn't getting dominated. All Randy could do with Brock was be on his back for most of the first round after getting taken down by Brock. And Randy was an alternate for the Olympics in Greco Roman Wrestling, which shows Brock ability to take down Olympic caliber wrestlers and put them on their back. Other than that all Randy did to Brock was try to hold him against the fence.

I like Randy and think he is a class act. But maybe now people will start to realize just because Brock chose to make a **** load of money in Pro Wrestling in no way mean he isn't a legitimate fighter. Mir better hope he doesn't beat Nog and have to have a rematch against Brock cause I don't see Brock leaving his leg out their for him next time like he did in their first fight, which was only because the ref stood them up after claiming Brock hit Mir in the back of the head when it was Mir who turned his head as the punch was being throw. Up til the point the ref interfered Mir was get his ass handed to him by Brock and was second from the fight being stopped.. Brock trains like an animal and I just don't see Brock getting caught in another leg sub by Mir. Mir also tried to get arm subs on Brock and Brock was just too powerful for Mir to land them. Now Nog / Lesnar would be interesting if Nog doesn't get caught with one of those size 4X canned hams of a hands Brock has and Nog has been proven he can be knocked down. Not sure he could take Brock power either. Looking forward to wither one of these guys fighting Brock.

As far as people saying Brock isn't legit and doesn't deserve a title shot, do you think so now? Bottom line is Brock puts asses in the seats and makes PPV buyrates soar. And in the grand scheme of things this is a business and in business money is the bottom line like it or not.

I guess we just see it differently. Comparing it to his other fights, it didn't look like he was as agressive as he was with Heath. Kind of surprised me at that. I really thought Brock would come out of the gate like he did against Mir and Herring.

Randy putting people on the fence wears them down and also frustrates the fighters. From what I was hearing, That and stick and move was his plan. It seemed to be working for him until he got nailed. And when you get hit with Bricks the size of Brocks hands, There really isn't much you can do except drop.

As far as legitimate, Brock is an NCAA Champion and a World Class athlete. Any and all athletes that change sports have a learning curve and Brock looks like he is a fast learner. Deserving a Title Shot, Why not!!. Look at the history of some great champions. Randy won his first title (Ironically) in his 4th fight!!!!!

The thing that gets me with this fight, is that it has the same feel as the GSP fight as with other fights where, that one shot that turns the fight.......

[Ken]

Guys, I think we are going to be seeing some exciting fights in the HW's that haven't been there for a long time. Brock, Mir, Nog, Randy and others coming up like Velasquez, Kongo, and Dos Santos.

Originally Posted by Ken

Guys, I think we are going to be seeing some exciting fights in the HW's that haven't been there for a long time. Brock, Mir, Nog, Randy and others coming up like Velasquez, Kongo, and Dos Santos.

I agree. I'd also like to see Arvloski make a come back.