Let's try this: What air filter are you using?

Parshooter · 11-24-2009, 06:57 AM

I just installed a Trion SE800 in my smoking room. It's a commercial unit but I was tired of fckin around with little "air purifiers" that couldn't handle the smoke.
Most air cleaners are just that: air cleaners. They won't remove/filter smoke. What you really need is some way to get the smoke out of the room, such as a powerful bathroom-type exhaust fan (I had no option for this, therefore had to spend the $$$ for the SE800). There will still be smell once the smoke is out of the room, then the air cleaner will apply.
Look at what BPA has to offer. This is where I got mine and they were great to work with.
http://www.breathepureair.com/commer...ke-eaters.html

Skywalker · 11-24-2009, 01:52 PM

I've had this same concern and question!!!

Thanks for starting this Tread!!!

11-24-2009, 02:32 PM

It just seems to me that the environment in which one smokes, is as important as the cigar itself. I sit on my deck with some wine or beer and it's very relaxing. I would like to relax and enjoy indoors as well. I saw one guy with his mancave in his garage. And it was quite nice!

Parshooter, that's a good lead. A bit more than I wanted to spend, but it might come down to that at some point.

As I research this, I am learning a lot about the UV bulbs and how killing germs is what "kills" smoke. I can also tell you there are a lot of medicine man air purifiers out there.
Air-purifier-power seems to be an objective third party reviewer. I didn't see your Trion on there, but I would believe your experience, since cigar smoke is taking the test to a higher level. Most purifiers seem to work on mild smoke, odors, allergans, etc.

Parshooter · 11-25-2009, 06:20 AM

There are many "air purifiers" out there. Ionizers are probably the best. These will NOT clear smoke out of the room, only clean dirty air. I have one from Sharper Image that works great, once the smoke is gone from the room.
Before I installed the Trion, I did test a Clean Air machine out. I set it on 2500 square feet mode (my room is only about 250 sf), turned the fan on high, and lit a cigar. I could smell the ionizer working, but the smoke was lingering, and drifting out of the room into the house. The small fan on the back (the unit is only 12" x 12" x 9") was not strong enough to pull in the smoke. Once I got the smoke out of the room, via open window, the unit worked great in cleaning the air.
My point being, it's pretty much a 2-step process (unless you go with a machine like the Trion), you have to get the smoke out of the room, then clean the air.

replicant_argent · 11-25-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseywales

As I research this, I am learning a lot about the UV bulbs and how killing germs is what "kills" smoke. I can also tell you there are a lot of medicine man air purifiers out there.

The bolded intrigues me, what kind of research points to that? My instincts tell me it approaches quackitude, but I am a cynical man. I use an exhaust fan in my man cave, but would like to supplement or replace the need for it in the winter so I don't flush nice heated air $ out to the frigid wasteland.
Considering smoke isn't 'alive' I don't know what a short burst of uv light is going to have on it. I am certain that UV sterilization works for organisms, but pushing it to "kill" smoke seems a stretch.
Tobii pointed me to these units, which seem like a decent cleaner for the money (which is more than I can afford right now anyway, so the point is fairly moot) but they do seem to work well, and are based on a fairly popular platform from Toshiba, as I recall my google-fu told me.
http://www.rabbitair.com/minusa2-spa...-purifier.aspx

11-25-2009, 07:43 AM

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http://www.rabbitair.com/minusa2-spa...-purifier.aspx

Yes, if you go to the site listed above, they review two Rabbit units. Not bad, for a 200sqf room, but mine's twice the size. The site rates them higher, but I want 7-8 turnovers per hour.

I agree about the UV on smoke, as I have learned more overnight. I got bad info from a filter salesman on the UV. Carbon is what will filter out the smoke. I knew that smoke actually attaches itself to bulbs rather quickly, so I guess it makes sense to remove the UV from the equation.

lightning9191 · 01-03-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Considering smoke isn't 'alive' I don't know what a short burst of uv light is going to have on it. I am certain that UV sterilization works for organisms, but pushing it to "kill" smoke seems a stretch.

If I had to guess, it's possible that the UV light is breaking down the odiferous (you don't get to use that word often) compounds into something that either doesn't smell or smells less vile. UV light does a pretty good job of energizing molecules, thus leading to chemical breakdowns or skin cancer.

Edit: After writing this I checked out my sources (Wikipedia) and they back me up. Check it out here. It's under the heading of air purification

11-24-2009, 06:57 AM	#1
Parshooter I'm a friend of Gary S Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Marc Location: St Somewhere Posts: 835 Trading: (2)	Re: Let's try this: What air filter are you using? I just installed a Trion SE800 in my smoking room. It's a commercial unit but I was tired of fckin around with little "air purifiers" that couldn't handle the smoke. Most air cleaners are just that: air cleaners. They won't remove/filter smoke. What you really need is some way to get the smoke out of the room, such as a powerful bathroom-type exhaust fan (I had no option for this, therefore had to spend the $$$ for the SE800). There will still be smell once the smoke is out of the room, then the air cleaner will apply. Look at what BPA has to offer. This is where I got mine and they were great to work with. http://www.breathepureair.com/commer...ke-eaters.html __________________ I love chicks with FLBP.

11-24-2009, 01:52 PM	#2
Skywalker BABOTL Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dice Location: Galaxy Far Far Away Posts: 10,168 Trading: (18)	Re: Let's try this: What air filter are you using? I've had this same concern and question!!! Thanks for starting this Tread!!! __________________ Smoke what you like!!!

11-24-2009, 02:32 PM	#3
Joseywales Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Let's try this: What air filter are you using? It just seems to me that the environment in which one smokes, is as important as the cigar itself. I sit on my deck with some wine or beer and it's very relaxing. I would like to relax and enjoy indoors as well. I saw one guy with his mancave in his garage. And it was quite nice! Parshooter, that's a good lead. A bit more than I wanted to spend, but it might come down to that at some point. As I research this, I am learning a lot about the UV bulbs and how killing germs is what "kills" smoke. I can also tell you there are a lot of medicine man air purifiers out there. Air-purifier-power seems to be an objective third party reviewer. I didn't see your Trion on there, but I would believe your experience, since cigar smoke is taking the test to a higher level. Most purifiers seem to work on mild smoke, odors, allergans, etc.

11-25-2009, 06:20 AM	#4
Parshooter I'm a friend of Gary S Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Marc Location: St Somewhere Posts: 835 Trading: (2)	Re: Let's try this: What air filter are you using? There are many "air purifiers" out there. Ionizers are probably the best. These will NOT clear smoke out of the room, only clean dirty air. I have one from Sharper Image that works great, once the smoke is gone from the room. Before I installed the Trion, I did test a Clean Air machine out. I set it on 2500 square feet mode (my room is only about 250 sf), turned the fan on high, and lit a cigar. I could smell the ionizer working, but the smoke was lingering, and drifting out of the room into the house. The small fan on the back (the unit is only 12" x 12" x 9") was not strong enough to pull in the smoke. Once I got the smoke out of the room, via open window, the unit worked great in cleaning the air. My point being, it's pretty much a 2-step process (unless you go with a machine like the Trion), you have to get the smoke out of the room, then clean the air. __________________ I love chicks with FLBP.