Anti-Gun Neighbors

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

If something happens to the neighbors, these folks will get sued, and they should imho.

You can have a different point of view, but putting your neighbors at risk is a bad thing, and this sign is putting them at risk by clearly marking them as an easy target for burglars and robbers.

First of all its very likely the sign is photoshop.
Second I would love to know wha you are basing the law suit under American Law. Remember in order to be a valid suit the plaitiff here would first need to show that this was not protected speech under the 1st amendment.


OOO by the way funny stuff man.

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

First of all its very likely the sign is photoshop.
Second I would love to know wha you are basing the law suit under American Law. Remember in order to be a valid suit the plaitiff here would first need to show that this was not protected speech under the 1st amendment.


OOO by the way funny stuff man.

[Emjaysmash]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

First of all its very likely the sign is photoshop.
Second I would love to know wha you are basing the law suit under American Law. Remember in order to be a valid suit the plaitiff here would first need to show that this was not protected speech under the 1st amendment.

Whether I disagree with the sign or not, what Ahbroody says is true.
I only decided to chime in becuase I have a debate in Ethics Class regarding hate speech protection coming up this friday.

[ade06]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

First of all its very likely the sign is photoshop.
Second I would love to know wha you are basing the law suit under American Law. Remember in order to be a valid suit the plaitiff here would first need to show that this was not protected speech under the 1st amendment.


OOO by the way funny stuff man.

They could bring a claim of nuisance or maybe a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress (probably a stretch). The 1st Amendment defense also, wouldn't stop someone from bringing the suit and making the neighbor defend the lawsuit... which would likely be expensive.

[BORIStheBLADE]

Thats pretty funny.

[RightAJ]

Haha that is great!

Originally Posted by ade06

They could bring a claim of nuisance or maybe a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress (probably a stretch). The 1st Amendment defense also, wouldn't stop someone from bringing the suit and making the neighbor defend the lawsuit... which would likely be expensive.

Yes, however should the defendant win he would most likely file a counter suit to recoup his cost and would most likely win.

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by ade06

They could bring a claim of nuisance or maybe a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress (probably a stretch). The 1st Amendment defense also, wouldn't stop someone from bringing the suit and making the neighbor defend the lawsuit... which would likely be expensive.

You need to go read the law on nuisance as well as IIED. This is so far from IIED that I cant even understand how you wrote it. In order for there to even be a possiblility of IIED .... you know what I am not going to turn this into legal 101.

You mean a private nuisance. This is not a private nusiance as you have the defense of freedom of speech and it is clearly only asthetic and does not affect the neighbors property in any way. A nuisance is something that interfers with someone use and enjoyement of ones property. A sign on my property would not interfere with your private use and enjoyement of your property.

Also why they may file the suit their attorney could file a motion which would claim the suit was without merit. Any suit on any of the legal grounds put forth to me is without merit. I would seek attorney fees in the case. Saying this is a nusiance is funny

I am likely done with this thread as arguing about the law with others is taxing. I am only a cop with a law degree. Perhaps a practicing attorney would like to step in here.

[Blindjimme]

All of that being said, I think it's funny

[croatan]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Perhaps a practicing attorney would like to step in here.

No way in hell

By the way, moved this into the Jokes forum.

[markem]

Originally Posted by croatan

No way in hell

By the way, moved this into the Jokes forum.

Knew that some sanity would eventually rear its ugly head ... James!

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by croatan

No way in hell

One of these days I will learn to just walk away and not get involved. Come on you know you want to.

[ade06]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

You need to go read the law on nuisance as well as IIED. This is so far from IIED that I cant even understand how you wrote it. In order for there to even be a possiblility of IIED .... you know what I am not going to turn this into legal 101.

Really… my post was in good fun. It was meant simply to raise a couple of theoretical claims one could potentially raise, because, you couldn't possibly fathom a claim(s) could be brought for posting such a sign in ones yard and survive a 1st Amendment defense. I simply provided two possible claims that someone might raise. While clearly noting the IIED claim would be a stretch, its elements typically require a plaintiff to prove the following:

1. Defendant acted intentionally or recklessly; and
2. Defendant’s conduct was extreme and outrageous; and
3. Defendant’s act is the cause of the distress; and
4. Plaintiff suffers severe emotional distress as a result of defendant’s conduct.

Without providing a through analysis of each element, in the hypothetical picture (with additional facts to the actions surrounding the posting of the sign) one could likely provide a colorable argument for each element. As with all IIED claims, proving severe emotional distress (damages) would probably be the downfall of the claim, not an affirmative defense under the 1st Amendment. I'm sure you remember in your 1L Con Law class that one's right to free speech is not always protected (e.g. one can't yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater (unless there really is a fire), "fighting words", etc.).

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

You mean a private nuisance. This is not a private nuisance as you have the defense of freedom of speech and it is clearly only asthetic and does not affect the neighbors property in any way. A nuisance is something that interfers with someone use and enjoyement of ones property. A sign on my property would not interfere with your private use and enjoyement of your property.

Correct, I was referring to a private nuisance (I didn't realize I needed to be so specific for a post, which was made in jest). Further, as with the IIED claim, I wasn't saying that this claim would be without its faults and would be a slam dunk win, but let's look at the typical elements.

1. Intentional Interference; and
2. Nontrespassory Interference; and
3. Unreasonable Interference; and
4. Substantial Interference; and
5. Interference with Use and Enjoyment of Land

Again, with additional facts and depending on the neighborhood, a colorable argument may be made for each element. There are a lot of creative attorney's out there! As to your specific argument that "it is clearly only astehtic and does not affect the neighbor's property in any way". I disagree; the claim of private nuisance requires interference with the use and enjoyment of the neighbor's property and does not require one to actually trespass on the neighbor's property. One might argue that the neighbor's use and enjoyment of his property was interfered by the fear of robbery or violence, which the sign created. Are both of these claims far reaching? Of course, but, my point was that one could potentially raise them.

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Also why they may file the suit their attorney could file a motion which would claim the suit was without merit. Any suit on any of the legal grounds put forth to me is without merit. I would seek attorney fees in the case. Saying this is a nusiance is funny

While the neighbor's lawsuit may or may not lose due to a summary judgment motion, it would cost the defendant time and money to defend the action. The neighbor may only seek an injunction to require the defendant to remove the sign and prevent him from replacing it with some other sign. Before even filing the MSJ, defendant's counsel would probably advise defendant to simply remove the sign. Just because you do not believe any claim arising from the sign is without merit, is in itself without merit. You would not be the trier of fact and in your position as a police officer, I'm sure you've seen first hand how unpredictable judges can be. Thinking that our legal system is so black and white that no one could possibly get past a 1st Amendment defense… now that is funny

P.S. the picture is comical, but I would be offended if I saw it posed in real life.

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I got a rock.

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Second I would love to know wha you are basing the law suit under American Law.

I base the lawsuit on the sign, which advertises that the neighbor is an easy target, increasing the chance that burglars or robbers take action, and therefore being partially guilty. It will be hard to prove though.

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

I base the lawsuit on the sign, which advertises that the neighbor is an easy target, increasing the chance that burglars or robbers take action, and therefore being partially guilty. It will be hard to prove though.

Read up. You would lose the lawsuit and probably get counter-sued for the grief.

The same constitution that allows us to keep guns, allows people to voice their opinion against them and ironically also allows those of us with guns to voice our opinion against those people.