Imitation NCs?

sikk50 · 09-11-2009, 03:48 PM

This actualy reminds me of a thread on CS that had a guy bought Opus X off eBay and when they came they were some random dog rocket that had been rebanded. So that right there's your answer

captain53 · 09-11-2009, 04:43 PM

I also agree with the tourist destination popularity for fake everything, Bahamas are full of the stuff and not only at the markets but in the nicer stores also.

Ebay - I assume that everything on there is fake unless it is just being used by a legit store front for advertising.

Texan in Mexico · 09-11-2009, 09:02 PM

Interesting thread, I think if there is a market there would be.

One of the posters asks about Mexico and the Caribbean. I live in Mexico and am in Cayman this week and travel to Tortola, Anguilla, blah, blahn blah for work and I have never seen counterfeited NC's.

Fake CC's abound as we all know but not NC's.

Snake Hips · 09-11-2009, 10:02 PM

I've seen fake Fuentes, Graycliffs, Davidoffs and Padrons in my travels, so they're around. Though the fake Cohibas and Montecristos always outnumber them.

captain53 · 09-13-2009, 12:16 PM

I found this information on the Altadis Web Site regarding counterfeit cigars:

Industry experts estimate the cigar counterfeiting problem involves the sale of hundreds of millions of dollars of fake and inferior products annually to unsuspecting consumers.

According to attorneys for Altadis, more and more warehouses and backrooms of tobacco retailers in South Florida have become home to tobacco counterfeiters.

The cigar counterfeiting industry has a number of levels. There are the printers of the fake cigar bands and labels that mimic the logo of well-known brands. There are individuals who sell the fake bands, labels and cigar boxes to cigar makers. And then there are cigar makers who market the bogus product. In some cases, there are financiers.

Snake Hips · 09-13-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by captain53

I found this information on the Altadis Web Site regarding counterfeit cigars:

Industry experts estimate the cigar counterfeiting problem involves the sale of hundreds of millions of dollars of fake and inferior products annually to unsuspecting consumers.

According to attorneys for Altadis, more and more warehouses and backrooms of tobacco retailers in South Florida have become home to tobacco counterfeiters.

The cigar counterfeiting industry has a number of levels. There are the printers of the fake cigar bands and labels that mimic the logo of well-known brands. There are individuals who sell the fake bands, labels and cigar boxes to cigar makers. And then there are cigar makers who market the bogus product. In some cases, there are financiers.

Yes, but these counterfeits are of Cuban cigars, not non-Cuban cigars. Altadis just has the advantage of owning the rights to those brand names in teh United States. Kind of like General Cigar winning court cases over Feauxhiba production, even though they weren't mimicking General's Cohiba.

Mikepd · 09-13-2009, 11:01 PM

Non-Cuban Cigars are produced with the market in mind for sale is the US. One reason NC cigars are at such a high rate here is because of taxes. Outside of the states if they were to be sold, they wouldn't specifically carry those taxes and thus could be at retail for a much lower rate. Thus i would think if someone wanted to retail them they would probably retail the real thing. Though I would expect if you looked for them in Europe you would be able to find fake NC's but i still would expect the fake CC's to still be more prevalent.

09-11-2009, 03:48 PM	#1
sikk50 Just Bored Really... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The Jefferson State Posts: 2,084 Trading: (13)	Re: Imitation NCs? This actualy reminds me of a thread on CS that had a guy bought Opus X off eBay and when they came they were some random dog rocket that had been rebanded. So that right there's your answer __________________ "Not a Headache in a Hogshead"

09-11-2009, 04:43 PM	#2
captain53 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Lake of the Ozarks & Austin, TX Posts: 1,333 Trading: (3)	Re: Imitation NCs? I also agree with the tourist destination popularity for fake everything, Bahamas are full of the stuff and not only at the markets but in the nicer stores also. Ebay - I assume that everything on there is fake unless it is just being used by a legit store front for advertising.

09-11-2009, 09:02 PM	#3
Texan in Mexico Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Travis Location: Puerto Morelos, Mexico Posts: 958 Trading: (0)	Re: Imitation NCs? Interesting thread, I think if there is a market there would be. One of the posters asks about Mexico and the Caribbean. I live in Mexico and am in Cayman this week and travel to Tortola, Anguilla, blah, blahn blah for work and I have never seen counterfeited NC's. Fake CC's abound as we all know but not NC's.

09-11-2009, 10:02 PM	#4
Snake Hips Götterdämmerung Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: Tyler Location: Directly above the center of the Earth Posts: 1,013 Trading: (10)	Re: Imitation NCs? I've seen fake Fuentes, Graycliffs, Davidoffs and Padrons in my travels, so they're around. Though the fake Cohibas and Montecristos always outnumber them.

09-13-2009, 12:16 PM	#5
captain53 Have My Own Room Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Dave Location: Lake of the Ozarks & Austin, TX Posts: 1,333 Trading: (3)	Re: Imitation NCs? I found this information on the Altadis Web Site regarding counterfeit cigars: Industry experts estimate the cigar counterfeiting problem involves the sale of hundreds of millions of dollars of fake and inferior products annually to unsuspecting consumers. According to attorneys for Altadis, more and more warehouses and backrooms of tobacco retailers in South Florida have become home to tobacco counterfeiters. The cigar counterfeiting industry has a number of levels. There are the printers of the fake cigar bands and labels that mimic the logo of well-known brands. There are individuals who sell the fake bands, labels and cigar boxes to cigar makers. And then there are cigar makers who market the bogus product. In some cases, there are financiers.

09-13-2009, 11:01 PM	#7
Mikepd I Miss Pnoon Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Michael Location: St. Pete, FL Posts: 583 Trading: (10)	Re: Imitation NCs? Non-Cuban Cigars are produced with the market in mind for sale is the US. One reason NC cigars are at such a high rate here is because of taxes. Outside of the states if they were to be sold, they wouldn't specifically carry those taxes and thus could be at retail for a much lower rate. Thus i would think if someone wanted to retail them they would probably retail the real thing. Though I would expect if you looked for them in Europe you would be able to find fake NC's but i still would expect the fake CC's to still be more prevalent.