Manny and Ortiz on Roids

yourchoice · 07-30-2009, 12:42 PM

Brought this over from the MLB Thread...figured I'd create a thread for this one....

There's a report that Manny and Ortiz were both on the list of those who tested positive in 2003.

Link.

Let's see what spin Faux-Sox Nation has! The only thing I'd rather hear less than that is what the Weasel Empire has to add!

PeteSB75 · 07-30-2009, 12:45 PM

I dunno about everyone else, but at this point, I assume that every single MLB player active within the last 15 years has taken them at some point.

Doctorossi · 07-30-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteSB75

I dunno about everyone else, but at this point, I assume that every single MLB player active within the last 15 years has taken them at some point.

At least the somewhat successful ones.

Mark · 07-30-2009, 12:54 PM

Such a shame. I love major league baseball, and this is putting a permanent stain on a great sport. I have a lot of respect for those two (have met them both at Red Sox training camp), and if this turns out to be true (which it seems it is) I will lose respect for two people who I thought were great players.

VirtualSmitty · 07-30-2009, 12:55 PM

Not really surprised. Ortiz will have some egg on his face since he was so outspoken about it and felt that the MLB punishment policy wasn't strict enough

King James · 07-30-2009, 12:58 PM

Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere????

VirtualSmitty · 07-30-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King James

Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere????

It was supposed to be.

Coach Deg · 07-30-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King James

Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere????

The list was confidential. Baseball and the players union dropped the ball and did not have the list destroyed before it was suppeonaed for the grand jury. It was supposed to be sealed by the govt. also.

I agree that I would believe any player in the last fifteen years that was any good was on them.

Most people on them were pitchers for the recovery and hitters still have to put the bat on the ball.

I personally could care less if they all did it, because if I was that close enough to make a couple of million a year sign me up!!!!!

Something else to ponder about the steroid issue:
-The most publicized team for doing steroids were the Steeler teams of the late 70's- Some good home run hitters on Phils and Pirates in late 70's early 80's
-Steroids were big in the power lifting community and cattle industry which both were very big in Texas during 70's and 80's- I still remember a skinny fireballer from Texas on the Mets that as he got older had unreal trainning techniques to keep him young, O yea he owned a ranch also.

And again I am not on a witch hunt. I am a Rays season ticket holder, Love baseball, and if I had the ability I would have taken them also if that would have put me over the edge. My only problem is the lyimg! Because some of them are and were OBVIOUS!

yourchoice · 07-30-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King James

Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere????

Yes. IMHO, they should just release all of the names and get it over with. Hearing about it over the course of several years will just be worse for baseball, again IMHO.

SeanGAR · 07-30-2009, 01:16 PM

I hope the idiots who were so vocal when the ARoid news hit are equally vocal now.

It is no surprise whatsoever that Ortiz and Manny are roid cheaters. But I cut them slack, because after all the red sux suck, and they need all the help they can get.

St. Lou Stu · 07-30-2009, 01:16 PM

That is the same list that implicated A Rod and Abreu and others...... it has just become fully public though.

A Rod was the first slip a couple years ago.... It'll be interesting to see what names come out now.

07-30-2009, 01:18 PM

Hooray, now that sorry sack of **** Manny can be banned from the HOF!

This makes my day!!

St. Lou Stu · 07-30-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell

Hooray, now that sorry sack of **** Manny can be banned from the HOF!

This makes my day!!

So... you think he is good enough numbers wise?......
What Darrell... you got a lil secret man crush on him?

jk

I don't think he woulda ever made it anyway... basket case.

07-30-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

So... you think he is good enough numbers wise?......
What Darrell... you got a lil secret man crush on him?

jk

I don't think he woulda ever made it anyway... basket case.

I can't stand the guy, Tim. I think he's a pompous moron and when they benched him for 50 games, they should have just kicked him from MLB.

I don't know that he would have ever made it either, numbers wise -- now I know for sure he won't.

St. Lou Stu · 07-30-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell

I can't stand the guy, Tim. I think he's a pompous moron and when they benched him for 50 games, they should have just kicked him from MLB.

I don't know that he would have ever made it either, numbers wise -- now I know for sure he won't.

I've had the pleasure of watching him all week at my park.
The fans have been relentless booing him. Not typical for STL fans.
Funny thing is they (me not included) think McGuire walks on water. Hypocrites.

07-30-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

I've had the pleasure of watching him all week at my park.
The fans have been relentless booing him. Not typical for STL fans.
Funny thing is they (me not included) think McGuire walks on water. Hypocrites.

McGwire is no better than Manny, he was just smart enough to retire before **** hit the fan.

chippewastud79 · 07-30-2009, 01:42 PM

Everyone is/was on 'roids. Every sport has/had it, the problem was the MLB Players Union wouldn't allow the testing because they knew steroids were so prevelant. Then congress and the commisioner finally forced them into a testing program and now everyone is so suprised they were all cheating.

Some people say: "Can you blame them?" Well ofcourse you can. They were still illegal drugs, regardless of whether they are banned. Would people be getting a pass if everyone was doing heroin to make them faster?

St. Lou Stu · 07-30-2009, 01:45 PM

[sarcasm]
I'm just glad Congress did get involved.
[/sarcasm]

chippewastud79 · 07-30-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

[sarcasm]
I'm just glad Congress did get involved.
[/sarcasm]

Your tax dollars hard at work

white_s2k · 07-30-2009, 02:21 PM

Stay classy Boston.

Oh wait...

07-30-2009, 12:42 PM	#1
yourchoice Down the stretch Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joel Location: South Jersey Posts: 4,095 Trading: (36)	Manny and Ortiz on Roids Brought this over from the MLB Thread...figured I'd create a thread for this one.... There's a report that Manny and Ortiz were both on the list of those who tested positive in 2003. Link. Let's see what spin Faux-Sox Nation has! The only thing I'd rather hear less than that is what the Weasel Empire has to add!

07-30-2009, 12:45 PM	#2
PeteSB75 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: CT Posts: 1,674 Trading: (18)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids I dunno about everyone else, but at this point, I assume that every single MLB player active within the last 15 years has taken them at some point. __________________ Formerly Malik23

07-30-2009, 12:54 PM	#4
Mark Tarheel. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 407 Trading: (1)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Such a shame. I love major league baseball, and this is putting a permanent stain on a great sport. I have a lot of respect for those two (have met them both at Red Sox training camp), and if this turns out to be true (which it seems it is) I will lose respect for two people who I thought were great players.

07-30-2009, 12:55 PM	#5
VirtualSmitty WiP!? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: The Evil Empire Posts: 2,084 Trading: (0)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Not really surprised. Ortiz will have some egg on his face since he was so outspoken about it and felt that the MLB punishment policy wasn't strict enough __________________ We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid - Benjamin Franklin

07-30-2009, 12:58 PM	#6
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere???? __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

07-30-2009, 01:16 PM	#10
SeanGAR Crotchety Geezer Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Radford VA Posts: 911 Trading: (3)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids I hope the idiots who were so vocal when the ARoid news hit are equally vocal now. It is no surprise whatsoever that Ortiz and Manny are roid cheaters. But I cut them slack, because after all the red sux suck, and they need all the help they can get. __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

07-30-2009, 01:16 PM	#11
St. Lou Stu Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Belleville, IL (St. Louis) Posts: 2,304 Trading: (21)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids That is the same list that implicated A Rod and Abreu and others...... it has just become fully public though. A Rod was the first slip a couple years ago.... It'll be interesting to see what names come out now. __________________ Pretending to play golf since 1989

07-30-2009, 01:18 PM	#12
Darrell Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Hooray, now that sorry sack of **** Manny can be banned from the HOF! This makes my day!!

07-30-2009, 01:42 PM	#17
chippewastud79 Fatter than you! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Larry Location: A little place called home. Posts: 5,397 Trading: (44)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Everyone is/was on 'roids. Every sport has/had it, the problem was the MLB Players Union wouldn't allow the testing because they knew steroids were so prevelant. Then congress and the commisioner finally forced them into a testing program and now everyone is so suprised they were all cheating. Some people say: "Can you blame them?" Well ofcourse you can. They were still illegal drugs, regardless of whether they are banned. Would people be getting a pass if everyone was doing heroin to make them faster? __________________ If we weren't supposed to eat animals, then how come they're made of meat? You can never have too many cigars, they are like an investment in good times.

07-30-2009, 01:45 PM	#18
St. Lou Stu Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tim Location: Belleville, IL (St. Louis) Posts: 2,304 Trading: (21)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids [sarcasm] I'm just glad Congress did get involved. [/sarcasm] __________________ Pretending to play golf since 1989

07-30-2009, 02:21 PM	#20
white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: Manny and Ortiz on Roids Stay classy Boston. Oh wait... __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein