Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?

Originally Posted by icehog3

I disagree Vic....I think you would need to clean house in the HOF if being a good person is one of the requirements!

I respect where your coming from Tom. So……you support Simpsons being in Canton? After all, his crimes are completely unconnected to football

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

I respect where your coming from Tom. So……you support Simpsons being in Canton? After all, his crimes are completely unconnected to football

I do, as well as supporting Ogie Oglethorpe's campaign for the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Originally Posted by icehog3

I do, as well as supporting Ogie Oglethorpe's campaign for the Hockey Hall of Fame.

I think we both knownall about my level of hockey knowledge, so you'll have to edumacate me on who Ogie is

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

I think we both knownall about my level of hockey knowledge, so you'll have to edumacate me on who Ogie is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEaOKI8ubU

Originally Posted by icehog3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEaOKI8ubU

you asshat, I didn't get the reference at first,

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by gettysburgfreak

Personally based on his credentials as a ball player I 100% think the guy belongs in the hall. He was one hell of a baseball player who played the game the way it was meant to be played-balls to the wall, you go hard on every play. Now having said that I have met the guy and hes a prick.

I was in Cooperstown a number of years ago with my dad and we were coming out of a restroom of the shop where Rose signs stuff every year at the hall of fame inductions and he was right outside the door kind of hanging out. I was probably 16 or so at the time and asked him if he would sign a baseball I had in my pocket. He said to me "do you have a ticket?" I asked him what for and his response was "if you don't have a ticket I won't sign anything" Well the ticket was for 40 bucks to get a ball signed later in the day.

If he is a prick because he signs things for money, then 95% of ex-ballplayers must be pricks.

Originally Posted by Resipsa

you asshat, I didn't get the reference at first,

[gettysburgfreak]

I was referring to the fact that he didn't even take a second to sign a ball for me or engage in a quick conversation with me and my dad. Rose is my dads favorite baseball player and the only thing Rose said to us was do you have a ticket. I am all for paying for an autograph as it one of my hobbies but not taking one minute and signing a ball for a kid in the back of a building where nobody else was around is crap.

[Buckeye Jack]

Most definitely he needs to be let in as a player. You can go in as both a player and a manager. His stats as a player would have made him a first ballot hall of famer.

Because of what he did as a manager, he should never go in as a manager. Had he never managed a baseball game in his life, he would be in. Nothing he did as a player is keeping him out.

Absolutely.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Jack

Most definitely he needs to be let in as a player. You can go in as both a player and a manager. His stats as a player would have made him a first ballot hall of famer.

From 84 to 86 he was a player/manager.
He broke Ty Cobb's all-time hits record as a player/manager.
That makes things a bit more sticky and confusing.

I think Pete screwed up from the get-go because he was pretty egotistical. Had he just said "hell yeah, I love gambling, and I love my boys, and I'm sorry and I won't do it again", he'd have been embraced, cause everyone loved Charlie Hustle.
He's a knucklehead though, and he had a serious gambling problem that's obvious to anyone who's ever followed his ups and downs. Whether he's ever got that under control, I don't know.
Add to all his other accomplishments on the field, he's also a Vet.
We should send him some cigars.