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[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by tnip23

As far as I am concerned, any state with a property tax (including my own, PA) is unconstitutional, and at the very least immoral. A property tax says you can never own you home, and all land is the gov'ts. That is anti-freedom, anti-constitution, and anti-american. If the gov't owns all the property we live in tyranny. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your argument, as I believe anyone who believes in property taxes is a collectivist at the very least, an anti-american, socialist/communist at worst. Without economic freedom, we have no freedom.

I think its a fact that any taxes are anti-freedom, yet necessary (not to the levels we have now though, IMHO).

Heck, at one point it was unconstitutional to have income taxes. I fully agree with this, as to tax something so necessary as income gives too much power to the government, again in my most-humble-more-philosophical-than-political opinion.

[tnip23]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I think its a fact that any taxes are anti-freedom, yet necessary (not to the levels we have now though, IMHO).

Heck, at one point it was unconstitutional to have income taxes. I fully agree with this, as to tax something so necessary as income gives too much power to the government, again in my most-humble-more-philosophical-than-political opinion.

I agree with you in principle. Yet, to me the property tax remains the most heinous of all taxes. When you scrimp and save and do what you can to acquire what was before fannie and freddie made it a joke, the "American dream", only to arrive at a point where the gov't tells you that unless you pay them a confiscatory and arbitrary amount that you don't own that home, they do, that IMHO is my definition of tyranny.

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Less taxes = more cigar $$$

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by tnip23

I agree with you in principle. Yet, to me the property tax remains the most heinous of all taxes. When you scrimp and save and do what you can to acquire what was before fannie and freddie made it a joke, the "American dream", only to arrive at a point where the gov't tells you that unless you pay them a confiscatory and arbitrary amount that you don't own that home, they do, that IMHO is my definition of tyranny.

I hear ya. My property taxes are on par with my mortgage payments...and I live in a VERY modest home in a modest area.

Taxation is very tricky and can very easily be used to target a group...and destroy a country. I think many of us are seeing this right now.

[tnip23]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I hear ya. My property taxes are on par with my mortgage payments...and I live in a VERY modest home in a modest area.

Taxation is very tricky and can very easily be used to target a group...and destroy a country. I think many of us are seeing this right now.

AMEN, I taught my sunday school class this morning and the subject was leadership. One of the class members said that he thought that there was an attitude of love now. I asked him what he was talking about, he said, "you know with the new president". I replied, I have to tell you, I'm just not feelin' the love. I got some laughs, but not as many as I should have in a free society. Religion aside, I am a free market capitalist, I feel that is the most fair, moral system that has ever existed, and right now, right here, it under assault like never before. When we disempower the indivdual in favor of some kind of utopian scheme it can only lead to oppression. I hope I am wrong, but the current track we are now on seems to be headed to less individual rights in favor of some kind of scheme where everybody is equally miserable.

Originally Posted by tnip23

AMEN, I taught my sunday school class this morning and the subject was leadership. One of the class members said that he thought that there was an attitude of love now. I asked him what he was talking about, he said, "you know with the new president". I replied, I have to tell you, I'm just not feelin' the love. I got some laughs, but not as many as I should have in a free society. Religion aside, I am a free market capitalist, I feel that is the most fair, moral system that has ever existed, and right now, right here, it under assault like never before. When we disempower the indivdual in favor of some kind of utopian scheme it can only lead to oppression. I hope I am wrong, but the current track we are now on seems to be headed to less individual rights in favor of some kind of scheme where everybody is equally miserable.

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Time for us libertarian, constitutionally minded people to rise up and force the governing a$$holes back to following the constitution.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I think its a fact that any taxes are anti-freedom, yet necessary (not to the levels we have now though, IMHO).

Power corrupts.

The fackin idiots in DC have been escalating the ante each and every time the stupid f&^%$#@ get elected.

I'll be damned if its my frickin job to pay for every stupid government program idiots dream up. Screw the spotted owl. To hell with pig **** smell - damned pork barrel BS. Why in the f&^% am I paying for that stupid ugly 81tch who had 8 kids with no f&^%$#@ job.

*&^%ing *&^%ing *&^% ... food stamps are coming out of my g*&^%$#@! pocket and I'd appreciate if you f&^%$#@ getting food stamps act like you f*&^%$# understand the mugging, OK?

We need to have a party focused on NOT PISSING AWAY OUR FRICKIN TAX MONEY.

Taxes are pushing our country into a dumpster.

[Mark C]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I think its a fact that any taxes are anti-freedom, yet necessary (not to the levels we have now though, IMHO).

I think you're spot on here. It's hard to deny that the federal government (and state and local) provides a service to all citizens. I think it's fair to pay for that service. Though while I agree with the principle, I think the current practice is mostly BS and needs a serious overhaul.

Originally Posted by tnip23

I am a free market capitalist, I feel that is the most fair, moral system that has ever existed, and right now, right here, it under assault like never before. When we disempower the indivdual in favor of some kind of utopian scheme it can only lead to oppression. I hope I am wrong, but the current track we are now on seems to be headed to less individual rights in favor of some kind of scheme where everybody is equally miserable.

The opposite side of that coin is when the wrong individual gets empowered. How many millions of dollars, or maybe even billions have been lost because of poor, greedy, selfish decisions by those at the top of the food chain? When a few men can ruin the lives of hundreds or thousands with corrupt trading schemes, I think there ought to be checks and balances in place. Again, this is a simple idea but a hard practice.

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

We need to have a party focused on NOT PISSING AWAY OUR FRICKIN TAX MONEY.

I think that's the Libertarian Party. I've been meaning to research their thoughts/goals more in-depth, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Y'all might like this one:

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Mark C

I think that's the Libertarian Party. I've been meaning to research their thoughts/goals more in-depth, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

They've got some very good ideas. I wouldn't consider myself a full scale Libertarian as I have some disagreements with their foreign policies, but I like the overall message they send, best paraphrased by Clint Eastwood:

"Everyone leaves everyone else alone".


I think things would be a hell of a lot better if more people had an attitude of independence and self-sufficiency rather than that of self-righteousness.