Second Firearm Thread...

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Brian D.

Amazing how inexpensive .40 caliber trade in handguns have gotten. Yesterday I picked up a full size, like new M&P for $220 + tax. Crazy.

Glut in the market, or is it a less desirable caliber these days?

[Ashcan Bill]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Glut in the market, or is it a less desirable caliber these days?

I think it's both. It was a caliber that never really caught on with the general public and apparently a lot of police departments are recycling them now.

I remember when the .40 came out and wondering why?

[Brian D.]

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

I think it's both. It was a caliber that never really caught on with the general public and apparently a lot of police departments are recycling them now.

I remember when the .40 came out and wondering why?

As you probably remember, a big ballistics study was done by the Justice Dept./FBI after that shootout in Miami that left four of their agents dead, and others wounded. (Do I have those numbers right?) Didn't matter that there were tactical and operational problems at fault too, they blamed the 9mm and .38/.357 guns and ammo.

End result, they decided that the 10mm was the new go to. Then re-decided that the round was too long, and full powered loads, too powerful. Hence, the .40 S&W became the new king.

The rest of the story has been laid out already, I'm feeling like a windbag at this point, sorry.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Brian D.

End result, they decided that the 10mm was the new go to. Then re-decided that the round was too long, and full powered loads, too powerful. Hence, the .40 S&W became the new king.

I like 10mm. It's my goto woods pistol.

[Brian D.]

Originally Posted by Steve

I like 10mm. It's my goto woods pistol.

Oh yeah, I have a Glock model 20 for trips to places like the Smoky Mountains. I ain't hunting bears, wild boar, and mountain lions, but if they hunt me it's game on.

[Ashcan Bill]

Originally Posted by Brian D.

As you probably remember, a big ballistics study was done by the Justice Dept./FBI after that shootout in Miami that left four of their agents dead, and others wounded. (Do I have those numbers right?) Didn't matter that there were tactical and operational problems at fault too, they blamed the 9mm and .38/.357 guns and ammo.

Yeah, I remember it was primarily the FBI that pushed the .40. Now that they've abandoned it and gone back to the 9mm, other agencies are apparently following their lead so you can pick up used trade-ins on the cheap right now.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill

I think it's both. It was a caliber that never really caught on with the general public and apparently a lot of police departments are recycling them now.

I remember when the .40 came out and wondering why?

Gracias, Bill and Brian.

Funny, my department (which I retired from in 2017) went from Glock 9mm to Glock 40s right after I left.

[Brian D.]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Gracias, Bill and Brian.

Funny, my department (which I retired from in 2017) went from Glock 9mm to Glock 40s right after I left.

Were they afraid you wouldn't be able to handle the recoil of the .40 caliber, icehog? Very considerate of 'em to wait!

You walked into that one sir!

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Brian D.

Were they afraid you wouldn't be able to handle the recoil of the .40 caliber, icehog? Very considerate of 'em to wait!

You walked into that one sir!

Phrasing?