Buying cigars directly from manufacturers?

borndead1 · 02-16-2019, 08:48 PM

Hey all, call me paranoid, but I think the FDA will someday crack down on cigars so hard that buying them in the US will be extremely difficult and expensive. Aside from CCs, have you ever bought cigars directly from a cigar factory in Central/South America? The DR? Give me some links!

SSDVC · 02-17-2019, 06:27 PM

I don't have any links to share, but I do think that there would be plenty of notice before something like that would happen. And more than likely, cigarettes would be hit first. Remember, they tried Prohibition once and it failed, miserably. If the day ever came that it would be extremely difficult or impossible to legally purchase our beloved sticks, other alternatives would surely rise out of the (lack of) ashes.

That's just my humble opinion.

gomeitsmybday · 02-17-2019, 08:09 PM

Yeah prohibition only creates black markets, more risk and danger for everyone...that said, I never thought I'd see the day that smoking tobacco would be outlawed on a sidewalk! Just imagine, tobacco kingpins like Scarface...Fuente Jr. or Pepin sitting at a table with a mound of beautifully aged tobacco, ranting and raving about burying the competition like cockroaches!!
Oh and no, sorry never bought directly from manufacturers.

Wharf Rat · 02-17-2019, 09:21 PM

The only one I can think of is Vegas de Santiago

https://www.cigars-vegasantiago.biz/en/home

dave · 02-18-2019, 07:34 AM

It is tough to do retail AND wholesale on a large scale. That's true of many (most?) commodities. Especially one that feels a need to continue support specialized brick and mortars. Add in the complexities of primarily off shore production, importation, .... One aspect that makes cigar sales particularly confusing ...that I don't understand the impacts and dynamics, is the complex ownership relationships of wholesalers and retailers....STC, Swedish Match, Meier&Dutch, Altadus, General....all names that represent or support multiple entities....an intertwined business....not even getting into production deals between 'makers', growers, blenders, factories...it sure appears to be so complicated that wide scale direct sales seems unlikely any time soon.

borndead1 · 02-18-2019, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

The only one I can think of is Vegas de Santiago

https://www.cigars-vegasantiago.biz/en/home

I placed an order with them back in December. They never shipped it and wouldn't answer my emails, so I had to initiate a chargeback with the credit card company.

Wharf Rat · 02-18-2019, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by borndead1

I placed an order with them back in December. They never shipped it and wouldn't answer my emails, so I had to initiate a chargeback with the credit card company.

I’ve had several good experiences with them or I wouldn’t have suggested it. I sent them an email. I will report back their response or the lack of it.

borndead1 · 02-18-2019, 10:48 PM

Thanks. I sent an email a few days ago asking if they still ship to the US. No response yet. I ordered a couple of samplers from them many years ago and I remember liking the cigars a lot.

Tio Gato · 02-19-2019, 06:23 AM

Mark I too worry a bit about an FDA crackdown. I found a few brands that I like then hit Cigarbid.com hard. Cherry picked when the price is right and now I have a huge stockpile put away. I figure there's enough to last two decades.

Be sure to pick cigars that age well.

Wharf Rat · 02-20-2019, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by borndead1

Thanks. I sent an email a few days ago asking if they still ship to the US. No response yet. I ordered a couple of samplers from them many years ago and I remember liking the cigars a lot.

I have emailed back and forth with them twice since this post. They went so far as to find this thread. They ask that you contact them with your order #. I’ll put the email address I used on your private messages.

Bob

borndead1 · 02-22-2019, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

I have emailed back and forth with them twice since this post. They went so far as to find this thread. They ask that you contact them with your order #. I’ll put the email address I used on your private messages.

Bob

They got back to me today. Apparently, my cigars were 'inspected' by Customs and returned to them.

02-16-2019, 08:48 PM	#1
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,364 Trading: (7)	Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? Hey all, call me paranoid, but I think the FDA will someday crack down on cigars so hard that buying them in the US will be extremely difficult and expensive. Aside from CCs, have you ever bought cigars directly from a cigar factory in Central/South America? The DR? Give me some links! __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

02-17-2019, 06:27 PM	#2
SSDVC Life is short, Relax Join Date: Aug 2009 First Name: Scott Location: Eastern CT Posts: 222 Trading: (6)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? I don't have any links to share, but I do think that there would be plenty of notice before something like that would happen. And more than likely, cigarettes would be hit first. Remember, they tried Prohibition once and it failed, miserably. If the day ever came that it would be extremely difficult or impossible to legally purchase our beloved sticks, other alternatives would surely rise out of the (lack of) ashes. That's just my humble opinion. __________________ Fully retired and wondering what the hell to do next !

02-17-2019, 08:09 PM	#3
gomeitsmybday Feeling at Home Join Date: Aug 2018 First Name: Michael Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 945 Trading: (5)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? Yeah prohibition only creates black markets, more risk and danger for everyone...that said, I never thought I'd see the day that smoking tobacco would be outlawed on a sidewalk! Just imagine, tobacco kingpins like Scarface...Fuente Jr. or Pepin sitting at a table with a mound of beautifully aged tobacco, ranting and raving about burying the competition like cockroaches!! Oh and no, sorry never bought directly from manufacturers.

02-17-2019, 09:21 PM	#4
Wharf Rat I'll get up and fly away Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bob Location: Florence, SC Posts: 787 Trading: (7)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? The only one I can think of is Vegas de Santiago https://www.cigars-vegasantiago.biz/en/home

02-18-2019, 07:34 AM	#5
dave Have My Own Room Join Date: May 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,180 Trading: (15)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? It is tough to do retail AND wholesale on a large scale. That's true of many (most?) commodities. Especially one that feels a need to continue support specialized brick and mortars. Add in the complexities of primarily off shore production, importation, .... One aspect that makes cigar sales particularly confusing ...that I don't understand the impacts and dynamics, is the complex ownership relationships of wholesalers and retailers....STC, Swedish Match, Meier&Dutch, Altadus, General....all names that represent or support multiple entities....an intertwined business....not even getting into production deals between 'makers', growers, blenders, factories...it sure appears to be so complicated that wide scale direct sales seems unlikely any time soon. __________________ I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. Thomas Jefferson

02-18-2019, 10:48 PM	#8
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,364 Trading: (7)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? Thanks. I sent an email a few days ago asking if they still ship to the US. No response yet. I ordered a couple of samplers from them many years ago and I remember liking the cigars a lot. __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

02-19-2019, 06:23 AM	#9
Tio Gato Uncle Kitty Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Casa Grande, AZ Posts: 2,075 Trading: (11)	Re: Buying cigars directly from manufacturers? Mark I too worry a bit about an FDA crackdown. I found a few brands that I like then hit Cigarbid.com hard. Cherry picked when the price is right and now I have a huge stockpile put away. I figure there's enough to last two decades. Be sure to pick cigars that age well. __________________ "You stink like cigars Uncle Kitty!" Said my Boo age 3. "Kid, take care of your family and the hell with anyone else" My Grandpa Bubba.