Tom Brady

[AdamJoshua]

4 Games for Brady
loss of 2016 first round pick
loss of 2017 fourth round pic
and $1,000,000 fine

(all of this before any appeals)

[The Poet]

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video...t=mozilla&tt=b

[Tio Gato]

Originally Posted by The Poet

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video...t=mozilla&tt=b

Well done sir.

[icehog3]

I am hoping appeal reduces it to 3 games, $950,000 and expulsion of the Patriots from the NFL.

Lighten up, Fanboys, I keed, I keed.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I am hoping appeal reduces it to 3 games, $950,000 and expulsion of the Patriots from the NFL.

Lighten up, Fanboys, I keed, I keed.

[pnoon]

Seems some of the "discussion" is getting a bit personal.

I don't like closing threads. But I will if it doesn't remain civil.

[The Poet]

As we are being civil here, Darren, I will assume you edited your quoted post by mere happenstance.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

As we are being civil here, Darren, I will assume you edited your quoted post by mere happenstance.

I don't know what you mean by "edited". Are you talking about the comma? Please demonstrate where I wrote that:
"...it is unfair to penalize Tom Brady because he is Tom Brady and a Patriot."

[bobarian]

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by bobarian

Ray Rice?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Ray Rice?

Michael Vick, branching out.

[mosesbotbol]

On appeal, Brady will be suspended 0-2 games is my prediction.

[icehog3]

If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by icehog3

If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

Justice is a real issue, Admiral. If we continue to accept lower and lower standards of it that's just what we'll get; that's why I'm so passionate about it. The news has been filled with reports of people convicted of murder being released because they've been exonerated by DNA evidence. Those people were convicted by a pretty high standard, "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that standard failed as well. Innocent people lost decades of their lives. If we expect justice for ourselves we must be scrupulous about defending it in all cases, no matter how small. Eternal vigilance, as Jefferson said.

[mhailey]

We need to start a movement to protest this blatant and pervasive corruption.

OCCUPY NFL.

WE can make signs, camp out in parking lots of the stadiums, break out our grills and cook on our tailgates, put up shade canopies, entertain ourselves by throwing a football to each other, maybe paint team logos on our bodies. That will get the message out that we will not tolerate this injustice.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by icehog3

If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Justice is a real issue, Admiral. If we continue to accept lower and lower standards of it that's just what we'll get; that's why I'm so passionate about it. The news has been filled with reports of people convicted of murder being released because they've been exonerated by DNA evidence. Those people were convicted by a pretty high standard, "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that standard failed as well. Innocent people lost decades of their lives. If we expect justice for ourselves we must be scrupulous about defending it in all cases, no matter how small. Eternal vigilance, as Jefferson said.

While I understand the point you are trying to make, Darren, I would hardly equate people on death row with their life in the balance to an NFL quarterback who makes 20 mil a year bring suspended for 4 games. That is what I meant by "real" issues.

And as has been pointed out for others, Brady isn't subject to any criminal penalties for the alleged indiscretion, so the burden of prove would be preponderance of the evidence, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" of said murder suspects.

No real horse in this race, just mildly amused how wound up people on both sides get about a sports issue like this. Reminds me of the Cubs-White Sox people.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by icehog3

While I understand the point you are trying to make, Darren, I would hardly equate people on death row with their life in the balance to an NFL quarterback who makes 20 mil a year bring suspended for 4 games. That is what I meant by "real" issues.

And as has been pointed out for others, Brady isn't subject to any criminal penalties for the alleged indiscretion, so the burden of prove would be preponderance of the evidence, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" of said murder suspects.

No real horse in this race, just mildly amused how wound up people on both sides get about a sports issue like this. Reminds me of the Cubs-White Sox people.

My point above is that even high standards of proof fail. The standard of proof as displayed in the report doesn't rise above playground justice as it was based solely on the investigation, not a tribunal of any sort where both sides get to present evidence to an impartial adjudicator. It would be like the police deciding the guilt and punishment of whom they arrest. In this case the investigator, judge and jury were invested in a single entity. I think that's spooky on any level. He won't get paid during the suspension so four games adds up to 5 million dollars. The Constitution says:... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... While it may not be a criminal penalty, It sure looks like one. Hell, the IRS has a higher standard.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

My point above is that even high standards of proof fail. The standard of proof as displayed in the report doesn't rise above playground justice as it was based solely on the investigation, not a tribunal of any sort where both sides get to present evidence to an impartial adjudicator. It would be like the police deciding the guilt and punishment of whom they arrest. In this case the investigator, judge and jury were invested in a single entity. I think that's spooky on any level. He won't get paid during the suspension so four games adds up to 5 million dollars. The Constitution says:... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... While it may not be a criminal penalty, It sure looks like one. Hell, the IRS has a higher standard.

Okay...Where was your beef with all this during Bountygate?

[The Poet]

You're half right there, Adam. This thread is worthless. I'm out.

[icehog3]

Hope he can still live on that 15 million he has left.

We just have different thoughts on how important this is in the grand scheme of things, but I don't begrudge you your feelings, Darren. If they suspended Jonathan Toews for scuffing pucks, I'd probably have an aneurism.