It's happend

Starscream · 01-27-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyman

This is where the problem lies.

This is not just a cyber board. I have met many many people and consider many of you my friends. It's not just a game.

This brings me to my next point. Jon Caputo is a real person as well. Like him or hate him this is not a game to him. He has invested a lot of money and time into this venture. Agree with his business or not this is real life to him. To us maybe it's a stupid forum. To him it's a lot more than that. If you met someone in person and came into their business and started harassing them and saying bad things about them to their clients. You would probibly be sued for slander. How is this any different? Why are we treating another human being this way?

You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to subscribe to the Puff lifestyle. Weather we think he deserves this or not. It's not really our call.

let it go..

I'm almost on board with you, Andy.

01-27-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

I'm almost on board with you, Andy.

Good enough for me. Theres a good point in there someplace. Just look for it!!!

white_s2k · 01-27-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

I'm almost on board with you, Andy.

Almost. What Jon did to CS and his attitude afterwards deserves no respect. No matter who says it. Business or not, you don't disrespect people who have been there 5+ years and who helped build the sitethe way he did. But who cares, it will come back to bite him in the ass.

Starscream · 01-27-2009, 10:27 PM

http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/genera...nd-please.html

I'm now fully on board. It's too late for me to not be mad at the actions of the man who banned so many BOTLS, but I'm gonna follow Darrel and use the golden rule here. Although he doesn't deserve it by his actions, we should still treat the man as we would like to be treated. Yesterdays posts were legitimate questioning and he shut them down. Today's posts over there are just stirring the pot. I'm calling for a temporary ceasefire to all interested.

With that said, it's way past my bedtime. I got caught up in all the drama/comedy tonight. See you brothers/sisters in the morning.

DrDubzz · 01-27-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland

http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/genera...nd-please.html

I can't read this, anyone feel like letting me know what it says

oooh the forbidden fruit!

DrDubzz · 01-27-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

Almost. What Jon did to CS and his attitude afterwards deserves no respect. No matter who says it. Business or not, you don't disrespect people who have been there 5+ years and who helped build the sitethe way he did. But who cares, it will come back to bite him in the ass.

there's been like 2-300 posts in this thread alone today

have they had that much activity total on the forums over there?

don't worry, Jon's actions will work themselves out

Asher · 01-27-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RX2010

don't worry, Jon's actions will work themselves out

It puts a smile on my face just to think about how much money he must be losing.

madurolover · 01-27-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher

It puts a smile on my face just to think about how much money he must be losing.

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

DrDubzz · 01-27-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by madurolover

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

well he certainly never spent much on cigars, anyone else remember that weak-A humidor? (in terms of what was in it, the humi wasn't half bad)

01-27-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by madurolover

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

Well, not yet anyway.

This just goes to prove a point, you can buy a forum and webspace and serverspace. You can buy a logo and a list of users but you CAN'T buy people. We are not slaves or endentured servants and we the people will revolt, or is that we the people are revolting? Anyway, you catch my drift.

Cheers,
Rob

BigBruce · 01-27-2009, 10:42 PM

Wow I think they banned that newt guy. Guess he came off wrong but that went down hill fast.

madurolover · 01-27-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by No1der

Well, not yet anyway.

This just goes to prove a point, you can buy a forum and webspace and serverspace. You can buy a logo and a list of users but you CAN'T buy people. We are not slaves or endentured servants and we the people will revolt, or is that we the people are revolting? Anyway, you catch my drift.

Cheers,
Rob

I don't think he will go broke. The site is not going to survive because of long-term members. Just like DevShed which is another site he did the same thing with. While there are some regulars there it is mostly people who come on, ask a question and get it answered. They then move on until they have another question. The site probably gets 1,000's of clicks a day. That is where the money comes from. Not long time members but site traffic. He may not be a BOTL but he is a businessman and you can believe that.

a2vr6 · 01-27-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by madurolover

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

Not as former head sales for Sun, he was easily pulling in high 6 figures plus bonuses.

Asher · 01-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by madurolover

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

Maybe not, but between the costs of buying the sites (I don't know how much he paid for CS, CL, and CR, but his $50k offer for CigarPass is public knowledge), the "puff.com" domain name, graphic design, hosting, etc., I highly doubt that his investment is paying off the way he had hoped.

01-27-2009, 11:09 PM

In the end, a website is more about branding than anything else, I think. The business approach thus was not well thought out. What the fellow that bought those 3 sites should have done was kept the branding of either the largest site or the site with the most cohessive population. Then, he should have added the coupling interfaces necessary, given the members of the other 2 sites a chance to migrate over themselves and then finally couple the 3 sites together under the name and branding of the established "mother" site.

I wonder if this whole thing would have taken another form if one of the main sites had been preserved. Would the same level of fighting and anger be present if something call "club stogie" was still present?

Then again, it may be fortunate that it has taken on a whole new identity. It may actually offer people a quicker and more complete "closure" knowing that CS is gone, as opposed to them hating how CS has changed.

But, I should probably just go to bed.

Cheers

Cyanide

renton20 · 01-27-2009, 11:17 PM

Although I am not nearly as eloquent as many who have already posted I feel a strong desire to express my feeling about what is going on over there in a place where I will not be punished for it, i.e. not there. I joined clubstogie because I had a few questions about cigars that I wanted answered. What I found was a community of people who were truly passionate about something that they enjoyed.

I was told to start trading and received a great selection including my first ISOM as a result. More than that, with the trading I really began to feel as I have never before in my life that the world is a very small place. The fact that I could take some cigars, package them up, and for $5 send them from MN to SC in two days blew my mind.

Even more, the fact that some one who had years of cigar experience on me was willing, even eager, to send me something simply because he thought that I would enjoy it took me a little time to understand.

The point that I am trying to get to is that JC bought a business but lost, through his own mismanagement, its soul. He will still make money on it because of the size, which is all he really cares about. I think that I am simply going to stop logging on. The soul and the community is here. People that I know and feel privileged to call friends are here. I just feel bad for those that called the place home for much longer than I did. I joined back in may. Though I did spend an obsessive amount of time there it must be much worse for those of you who were there for years and years. Let's just keep the spirit alive guys. We may have switched buildings, but it's still the same bar.

Josh

white_s2k · 01-27-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by madurolover

For some reason I do not think that Jon is hurting financially.

As we have seen in the past months.. money does not buy members. You may, or may not be a testament to that (publicly). But it is apparent.

madurolover · 01-27-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

As we have seen in the past months.. money does not buy members. You may, or may not be a testament to that (publicly). But it is apparent.

I agree, but as I stated above, as long as there are clicks the number of members is basically moot.

01-27-2009, 10:27 PM	#4
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: It's happening http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/genera...nd-please.html I'm now fully on board. It's too late for me to not be mad at the actions of the man who banned so many BOTLS, but I'm gonna follow Darrel and use the golden rule here. Although he doesn't deserve it by his actions, we should still treat the man as we would like to be treated. Yesterdays posts were legitimate questioning and he shut them down. Today's posts over there are just stirring the pot. I'm calling for a temporary ceasefire to all interested. With that said, it's way past my bedtime. I got caught up in all the drama/comedy tonight. See you brothers/sisters in the morning. __________________ Insert quote here.

01-27-2009, 10:42 PM	#11
BigBruce Independent Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Top Secret Posts: 452 Trading: (4)	Re: It's happening Wow I think they banned that newt guy. Guess he came off wrong but that went down hill fast. __________________

01-27-2009, 11:09 PM	#15
Cyanide Guest Posts: n/a	Re: It's happening In the end, a website is more about branding than anything else, I think. The business approach thus was not well thought out. What the fellow that bought those 3 sites should have done was kept the branding of either the largest site or the site with the most cohessive population. Then, he should have added the coupling interfaces necessary, given the members of the other 2 sites a chance to migrate over themselves and then finally couple the 3 sites together under the name and branding of the established "mother" site. I wonder if this whole thing would have taken another form if one of the main sites had been preserved. Would the same level of fighting and anger be present if something call "club stogie" was still present? Then again, it may be fortunate that it has taken on a whole new identity. It may actually offer people a quicker and more complete "closure" knowing that CS is gone, as opposed to them hating how CS has changed. But, I should probably just go to bed. Cheers Cyanide

01-27-2009, 11:17 PM	#16
renton20 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 212 Trading: (13)	Re: It's happening Although I am not nearly as eloquent as many who have already posted I feel a strong desire to express my feeling about what is going on over there in a place where I will not be punished for it, i.e. not there. I joined clubstogie because I had a few questions about cigars that I wanted answered. What I found was a community of people who were truly passionate about something that they enjoyed. I was told to start trading and received a great selection including my first ISOM as a result. More than that, with the trading I really began to feel as I have never before in my life that the world is a very small place. The fact that I could take some cigars, package them up, and for $5 send them from MN to SC in two days blew my mind. Even more, the fact that some one who had years of cigar experience on me was willing, even eager, to send me something simply because he thought that I would enjoy it took me a little time to understand. The point that I am trying to get to is that JC bought a business but lost, through his own mismanagement, its soul. He will still make money on it because of the size, which is all he really cares about. I think that I am simply going to stop logging on. The soul and the community is here. People that I know and feel privileged to call friends are here. I just feel bad for those that called the place home for much longer than I did. I joined back in may. Though I did spend an obsessive amount of time there it must be much worse for those of you who were there for years and years. Let's just keep the spirit alive guys. We may have switched buildings, but it's still the same bar. Josh