It's a sad day. . .

shilala · 01-26-2009, 03:58 PM

Well said, Dustin.
I'd just like to point out that no one is "caught" anywhere.
All 11 of the 11 pulled the plug and walked when CS became less than savory. About 1500 guys followed, me included.
It's as simple as pulling the plug, Aaron.
No one needs the cross forum drama, it's not helping anyone. I know you're trying to help at CS and have the best of intentions, but if you're hurting yourself and helping perpetuate the drama, who are you helping?
Rip the friggin plug out and come hang with your brothers here who love you, want your company, and appreciate your contributions.
Your other option is to stay there, take a beating, be unappreciated and threatened.
It feels like an easy decision to me, and your presence here would certainly be a positive asset to CA.
I'm sure you don't owe Pvff or Caputo anything, and he'll likely have a far easier transition without our CS brothers trying to "smooth the waters".
I've thought from day one that taking new mods from the membership at CS was a bad idea because they'd carry the CS philosophy along with them. The CS philosophy is not one that's going to fit into Jon's vision. It simply can't. It's not a bad thing that it doesn't fit, it's just a fact.
Trying to hang on to the "old way" and incorporate it into the "pvff way" only adds grief, drama, controversy, and hits. It serves Jon's vision at the cost of friendships, and his bottom line increases.

I shudder every time I see one of these threads here because it costs bad feelings and tears off old scabs. Caputo made this mess and benefits from each one of these dramatic outpourings. Every time it happens, hard feelings erupt and friendships are taxed or destroyed, yet Jon benefits through increased traffic, which is all he needs to succeed.
It's not my place to ask, but I hope you'll keep the pvff drama at pvff and not hog this place up with it.
In turn, I'll promise not to hog pvff up with the internal drama that happen here (not that we have any).
I hope you'll hang out with us and make this your home whether you decide to stay on there or not. I sure don't agree with your decision to help Jon out, but I certainly respect it. I hope you'll respect this place by keeping his trash there and spending your quality time with us.

That'd be good for every single one of us, I think.

icehog3 · 01-26-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

It's not my place to ask, but I hope you'll keep the pvff drama at pvff and not hog this place up with it.
In turn, I'll promise not to hog pvff up with the internal drama that happen here (not that we have any).
I hope you'll hang out with us and make this your home whether you decide to stay on there or not. I sure don't agree with your decision to help Jon out, but I certainly respect it. I hope you'll respect this place by keeping his trash there and spending your quality time with us.

That'd be good for every single one of us, I think.

Subliminal message for my temporary anger, Scott?

shilala · 01-26-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Subliminal message for my temporary anger, Scott?

No Tom-specific hoggage impressed or implied, my brother.

I haven't even been keeping up with all the goings on. My attention span really sucks nowadays. hehe

montecristo#2 · 01-26-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Aaron, you and I have traveled down the road together in the past, and I hope we will continue to do so in the future. You are a good man, and I know that you are doing what you feel is for

I hope we get a chance to both Cyberherf and to herf together in 2009.

I will drink or I mean smoke to that. Sorry about the email the other day, I hope it did not catch you off guard. Life has been a wee bit stressful lately.

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Originally Posted by kayak_rat

We support you Aaron......on the boards or Facebook.

I will say one thing, if my bosses are on facebook during the day at work, I don't think they can really get made a me if I am as well.

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Originally Posted by LasciviousXXX

Aaron, you know I love you brother and its never easy to see a friend caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately that seems to be the case lately as more and more of our friends find themselves in a position where they feel they need to take sides. . .

Thanks Dustin - I will send you a note through one of these places tomorrow when I have some more time.

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Originally Posted by shilala

It's as simple as pulling the plug, Aaron. . . It's not my place to ask, but I hope you'll keep the pvff drama at pvff and not hog this place up with it.

While I respectfully disagree with some of the stuff in your post, it was well thought out and I do appreciate that. I have a lot of friends on this forum, that is why I continue to browse, read and post from time to time.

icehog3 · 01-27-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by montecristo#2

I will drink or I mean smoke to that. Sorry about the email the other day, I hope it did not catch you off guard. Life has been a wee bit stressful lately.

No apologies or explanations necessary, my Brother. I know all too well what stress can bring. Looking forward to our herf of either kind.

01-26-2009, 03:58 PM	#1
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: It's a sad day. . . Well said, Dustin. I'd just like to point out that no one is "caught" anywhere. All 11 of the 11 pulled the plug and walked when CS became less than savory. About 1500 guys followed, me included. It's as simple as pulling the plug, Aaron. No one needs the cross forum drama, it's not helping anyone. I know you're trying to help at CS and have the best of intentions, but if you're hurting yourself and helping perpetuate the drama, who are you helping? Rip the friggin plug out and come hang with your brothers here who love you, want your company, and appreciate your contributions. Your other option is to stay there, take a beating, be unappreciated and threatened. It feels like an easy decision to me, and your presence here would certainly be a positive asset to CA. I'm sure you don't owe Pvff or Caputo anything, and he'll likely have a far easier transition without our CS brothers trying to "smooth the waters". I've thought from day one that taking new mods from the membership at CS was a bad idea because they'd carry the CS philosophy along with them. The CS philosophy is not one that's going to fit into Jon's vision. It simply can't. It's not a bad thing that it doesn't fit, it's just a fact. Trying to hang on to the "old way" and incorporate it into the "pvff way" only adds grief, drama, controversy, and hits. It serves Jon's vision at the cost of friendships, and his bottom line increases. I shudder every time I see one of these threads here because it costs bad feelings and tears off old scabs. Caputo made this mess and benefits from each one of these dramatic outpourings. Every time it happens, hard feelings erupt and friendships are taxed or destroyed, yet Jon benefits through increased traffic, which is all he needs to succeed. It's not my place to ask, but I hope you'll keep the pvff drama at pvff and not hog this place up with it. In turn, I'll promise not to hog pvff up with the internal drama that happen here (not that we have any). I hope you'll hang out with us and make this your home whether you decide to stay on there or not. I sure don't agree with your decision to help Jon out, but I certainly respect it. I hope you'll respect this place by keeping his trash there and spending your quality time with us. That'd be good for every single one of us, I think. __________________