2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot - Page 2

Stephen · 12-01-2012, 04:52 PM

Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.

Gophernut · 12-01-2012, 05:22 PM

Saw on the ESPN crawl, that a preliminary count of votes showed that Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa did not get in.

bvilchez · 12-01-2012, 07:06 PM

The unfortunate part of those steroid users on the current list is that I believe, IMO, that without the substances they took they still would have been extraordinary players. I don't know if they would have been putting up numbers like they did but their performance would have still been superb enough to get them inducted.

icehog3 · 12-01-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bvilchez

The unfortunate part of those steroid users on the current list is that I believe, IMO, that without the substances they took they still would have been extraordinary players. I don't know if they would have been putting up numbers like they did but their performance would have still been superb enough to get them inducted.

Agreed, Jay,

mase · 12-01-2012, 08:28 PM

Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever. I think he makes it.

icehog3 · 12-01-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.

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Originally Posted by mase

Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever. I think he makes it.

dozer · 12-04-2012, 11:27 PM

I'd be surprised if Bagwell didn't juice, yet he will most likely get in at some point. I just don't see how you can keep Bonds out when there will be users that eventually slide through.

Stephen · 12-05-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dozer

I'd be surprised if Bagwell didn't juice, yet he will most likely get in at some point. I just don't see how you can keep Bonds out when there will be users that eventually slide through.

Yep. Completely stupid. Ditto for Clemens. The best pitcher and the best everyday player from this generation and neither one will be in the HOF (anytime soon at least) because of speculation.

The Poet · 12-05-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mase

Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever.

And possibly the worst defensive catcher ever too, so there's that also.

dozer · 12-05-2012, 11:17 PM

Despite his shortcomings defensively, Piazza deserves to be in...I am still holding out for Edgar as a dh...

jonumberone · 01-08-2013, 06:28 AM

The ballot results will be announced tomorrow @ 2PM ET

Gophernut · 01-09-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

The ballot results will be announced tomorrow @ 2PM ET

Nobody gets in. Interesting.

kelmac07 · 01-09-2013, 12:09 PM

Come on now...not one person?? I guess the writers are holding everyone that played in the "sterioid era" hostage. I, for one, completely disagree with this decision. BOOOO!!!

Gophernut · 01-09-2013, 12:13 PM

I agree Mac, I thought that Biggio, Piazza, and Morris should have gotten in.

E.J. · 01-09-2013, 01:56 PM

Not surprised & not even sure I am disappointed. It will be interesting to see if the big names get in later. There is something to be said for being a first ballot guy and you knew because of their history, they weren't going to be FBG's.

I thought Biggio may slide in.

Next year they'll get some 1st ballot guys.....

E.J. · 01-09-2013, 02:02 PM

Those mentioning Piazza, I had always assumed he was a juicer....and don't think I'm alone. Though he isn't Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Clemens et. al., I think he gets lumped in with the PED guys.

jonumberone · 01-09-2013, 05:55 PM

Interesting results, indeed.
The writers set out to send a message.
I'm not really sure how I feel about this.
One thing is for certain, I am starting to dislike these writers (not just in baseball) who vote.
They use "integrity of the game" as the main reason to keep guys out!
Then they use these ballots to settle grudges and personal vendettas.
Where's the integrity in that?

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The BBWAA election rules say: "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

icehog3 · 01-09-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone

They use "integrity of the game" as the main reason to keep guys out!
Then they use these ballots to settle grudges and personal vendettas.
Where's the integrity in that?

Couldn't agree with you more, Dom.

VirtualSmitty · 01-10-2013, 05:18 AM

Craig Biggio
Don Mattingly
Bernie Wiliams

Stephen · 01-10-2013, 07:10 AM

I couldn't have said it any better myself...

12-01-2012, 04:52 PM	#21
Stephen Sultan of Cigars Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Stephen Location: Where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended. Posts: 1,582 Trading: (18)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.

12-01-2012, 05:22 PM	#22
Gophernut Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Steve Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,661 Trading: (15)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Saw on the ESPN crawl, that a preliminary count of votes showed that Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa did not get in. __________________ "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

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bvilchez En búsqueda..... Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bolivar aka Jay Location: Back in SoCal Posts: 3,202 Trading: (76)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot The unfortunate part of those steroid users on the current list is that I believe, IMO, that without the substances they took they still would have been extraordinary players. I don't know if they would have been putting up numbers like they did but their performance would have still been superb enough to get them inducted.

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mase Undead Recruiter Join Date: Sep 2011 First Name: Kevin Location: The city that works....against you Posts: 845 Trading: (9)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever. I think he makes it. __________________

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dozer Still Watching My Back Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Justin Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 54 Trading: (4)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot I'd be surprised if Bagwell didn't juice, yet he will most likely get in at some point. I just don't see how you can keep Bonds out when there will be users that eventually slide through.

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dozer Still Watching My Back Join Date: Feb 2012 First Name: Justin Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 54 Trading: (4)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Despite his shortcomings defensively, Piazza deserves to be in...I am still holding out for Edgar as a dh...

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kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Come on now...not one person?? I guess the writers are holding everyone that played in the "sterioid era" hostage. I, for one, completely disagree with this decision. BOOOO!!! __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

01-09-2013, 12:13 PM	#34
Gophernut Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Steve Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,661 Trading: (15)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot I agree Mac, I thought that Biggio, Piazza, and Morris should have gotten in. __________________ "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

01-09-2013, 01:56 PM	#35
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Not surprised & not even sure I am disappointed. It will be interesting to see if the big names get in later. There is something to be said for being a first ballot guy and you knew because of their history, they weren't going to be FBG's. I thought Biggio may slide in. Next year they'll get some 1st ballot guys.....

01-09-2013, 02:02 PM	#36
E.J. I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,218 Trading: (21)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Those mentioning Piazza, I had always assumed he was a juicer....and don't think I'm alone. Though he isn't Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Clemens et. al., I think he gets lumped in with the PED guys.

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VirtualSmitty WiP!? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Joe Location: The Evil Empire Posts: 2,084 Trading: (0)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Craig Biggio Don Mattingly Bernie Wiliams __________________ We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid - Benjamin Franklin

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Stephen Sultan of Cigars Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Stephen Location: Where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended. Posts: 1,582 Trading: (18)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot I couldn't have said it any better myself...