2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot

The Poet · 12-01-2012, 12:01 PM

If we're talking legality, it behooves us to define it in baseball terms as well as purely legal ones. The careers of those either accused or confessed users of PEDs occurred during a period where their use was frowned upon and condemned by MLB, and was considered "cheating" by the fans, but when it WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BANNED BY BASEBALL RULES. That may seem nit-picking, but it does proffer the excuse (valid or not) that a player cannot be banned from the HoF for cheating if he did not actually break the rules.

I'm not saying I want guys like Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc. in the Hall, or even that I'd have no problem were they elected. Still, I need confess I'd have no "legal" leg to stand upon, so could not logically justify a complaint.

mahtofire14 · 12-01-2012, 12:41 PM

I would go with

Bagwell
Biggio
Jack Morris
Lee Smith

Morris deserves it. Pitched one of the best pitching performance in baseball history, in the most important game of the year. Also has the career stats.

icehog3 · 12-01-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet

If we're talking legality, it behooves us to define it in baseball terms as well as purely legal ones. The careers of those either accused or confessed users of PEDs occurred during a period where their use was frowned upon and condemned by MLB, and was considered "cheating" by the fans, but when it WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BANNED BY BASEBALL RULES. That may seem nit-picking, but it does proffer the excuse (valid or not) that a player cannot be banned from the HoF for cheating if he did not actually break the rules.

Absolutely true in the case of Mark McGwire and the substance androstenedione.

Stephen · 12-01-2012, 04:52 PM

Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.

12-01-2012, 12:01 PM	#1
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot If we're talking legality, it behooves us to define it in baseball terms as well as purely legal ones. The careers of those either accused or confessed users of PEDs occurred during a period where their use was frowned upon and condemned by MLB, and was considered "cheating" by the fans, but when it WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BANNED BY BASEBALL RULES. That may seem nit-picking, but it does proffer the excuse (valid or not) that a player cannot be banned from the HoF for cheating if he did not actually break the rules. I'm not saying I want guys like Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc. in the Hall, or even that I'd have no problem were they elected. Still, I need confess I'd have no "legal" leg to stand upon, so could not logically justify a complaint. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

12-01-2012, 12:41 PM	#2
mahtofire14 Chillin in the Aging Room Join Date: Oct 2012 First Name: Pete Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,609 Trading: (16)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot I would go with Bagwell Biggio Jack Morris Lee Smith Morris deserves it. Pitched one of the best pitching performance in baseball history, in the most important game of the year. Also has the career stats. __________________ Saving basements in the Land of 10,000 Lakes.

12-01-2012, 04:52 PM	#4
Stephen Sultan of Cigars Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Stephen Location: Where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended. Posts: 1,582 Trading: (18)	Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.