Your opinion - Most overhyped cigar line?

[Starscream]

NC Cohibas, Tat Boris/Frank/Drac/etc., and Gurkhas. The American hype over Cuban cigars overall.

Not that any of these are bad lines/countries (well maybe Gurkha and NC Cohibas).

[pektel]

Originally Posted by Starscream

Tat Boris/Frank/Drac/etc.,

I was JUST coming back into this thread to post this. Tat Monster series (though I believe the Boris was the Actor series or something like that). I was just on another forum where someone paid a premium for a dress box of Mummy's, and the seller had only received shipping info so far. Didn't even have the box in hand yet and someone was shelling out almost $300 to reserve the box once it arrived.

[jluck]

http://eugene.craigslist.org/for/3338535005.html

[pektel]

Originally Posted by jluck

http://eugene.craigslist.org/for/3338535005.html

I wonder if they smoke like a $27 cigar should...

[SvilleKid]

Originally Posted by jluck

http://eugene.craigslist.org/for/3338535005.html

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

The AF Opus X and Anejo's are other prime examples. These sell out fast, and at premium prices because there is a perceived "greatness about these in the marketplace. Hell, Fuentes doesn't even really need to advertise them, do they???? This is MARKET generated. And if it is generated by the people that ARE willing to pay the price, and that DO enjoy them, is it hype, or just their honest opinion? And a honest opinion IS NOT HYPE! While the FFOX may be rabidly sought and enjoyed by many here, I'm sure there are many that read this thread that would place the FFOX and the Anejos in the over-hyped category.

I know it's probably just me and my thought process, but I just feel that this is a thread that serves no purpose except for allowing for backdoor bashing of smokers that enjoy cigars that others do not! And while I'm sure the bashing is not meant to be personal by the posters, it is still out there hitting on everyone that actually like Gurkhas.... Or Tats..... Or Beehives...... Or Davidoffs..... Or FFOX..... Or any of the other cigars mentioned.

Just an opposing "Opinion" on the whole of the thread!

[lenguamor]

For me, "overhyped" has to do with lots of people singing something's praises, and when you try it, it disappoints. Not so much with advertising, since that's part of the deal; although the marketing on some cigars ranges from annoying to disgusting.

And only each of us can judge for ourselves the level of "hype" we perceive, against the effective outcome when we sample the product.

As for me, I didn't bash anything nor anyone. I mentioned Ilusione because it is a brand about which I had heard only praise, yet the times I have tried it, it has sorely disappointed. That's the long and the short of it.

If a thread asks for personal opinions and I have something to say, I'm going to say it as my opinion.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by lenguamor

For me, "overhyped" has to do with lots of people singing something's praises, and when you try it, it disappoints. Not so much with advertising, since that's part of the deal

Agreed, which is why I'd have to say Opus. They're just barely above a yardgar/dog rocket IMHO yet everyone seems to think they're the Second Coming and they're priced to match that rep. Don't get it

[poker]

Originally Posted by lenguamor

For me, "overhyped" has to do with lots of people singing something's praises, and when you try it, it disappoints.

Kind of like a Caputo

[lenguamor]

Originally Posted by poker

Kind of like a Caputo

[dave]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

The AF Opus X and Anejo's are other prime examples. These sell out fast, and at premium prices because there is a perceived "greatness about these in the marketplace. Hell, Fuentes doesn't even really need to advertise them, do they???? This is MARKET generated. And if it is generated by the people that ARE willing to pay the price, and that DO enjoy them, is it hype, or just their honest opinion? And a honest opinion IS NOT HYPE! While the FFOX may be rabidly sought and enjoyed by many here, I'm sure there are many that read this thread that would place the FFOX and the Anejos in the over-hyped category.

I know it's probably just me and my thought process, but I just feel that this is a thread that serves no purpose except for allowing for backdoor bashing of smokers that enjoy cigars that others do not! And while I'm sure the bashing is not meant to be personal by the posters, it is still out there hitting on everyone that actually like Gurkhas.... Or Tats..... Or Beehives...... Or Davidoffs..... Or FFOX..... Or any of the other cigars mentioned.

Just an opposing "Opinion" on the whole of the thread!

Good points and I agree with all. I do think that Pete Johnson deserves the 'hype' label in the case of all the Tat monsters: the gimmicky Halloween release dates and 'spooky' packaging, release games, unsatisfactory stinky boxes, tweeting and FB'ing his own hype machine, etc. I mean...TRADING CARDS, for crying out loud?

I love me some Tats and enjoy one almost daily, so I'm not bashing cigars I don't like - I'm just unimpressed with aspects of the marketing.

[Brooks W]

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

The above "ad" will serve to illustrate my comments below:

Just who is it that is over-hyping cigars like the Tat Mummy? Is it the manufacturer? (that Would be over-hype - or maybe just damn good use of advertising dollars). Or, is this simply the market excitement by the end buyers (hopeful buyers?) that is generating the hype and prices? If it's market reaction, not manufacturer generated, is this the fault of the cigar and/or manufacturer? And should the cigar and the manufacturer be dragged through the proverbial mud because the market (not the manufacturer) has built up expectations that are not "lived-up-to" in the minds of the individuals that do not like them, or that do not like Tats in general?????? This is the Issue I have with this thread. Is this really about Over-hype, or is this about "picking a cigar you hate/dislike/don't really care for, and bashing it"? If the hype is market generated by the purchasers/smokers that really like Tats (or Gurkhas, or NC Cohibas, or Beehives...etc), then can it be said that all this thread is really about is basically bashing other smokers for their choices, NOT bashing the manufacturer for over-billing the cigar. If this thread is about the manufacturer over-hyping the cigars, then care should be taken that the over-hype being slammed is actually from the manufacturer, and not that which is generated by the buying public!

Say what you will about the Monster series in General (to some, the best thing to happen to cigars, to others, stupid tripe marketing for 10 year olds), but the Mummy is a pretty great cigar, when you get rid of all of the hype surrounding the actual release.

IMHO.

[MajorCaptSilly]

It's really pretty simple. Some manufacturers experimented with limited editions and it worked. As long as it works, we'll be seeing more LEs. I call it marketing vs hype. If I could sell limited edition server equipment at a premium price and get people to buy more of my "regular" server equipment, i would do it in a heartbeat.


MCS