It's happend

livwire68 · 01-14-2009, 03:44 AM

I was a member at CS for a couple years, I cant say I am sad to see it go. The reason being is that the heart of it is here at CA. Home is where the heart is! Everything we had there we have here, I just happen to log on in a forum with a different name, almost as if the other place never existed. Change comes to us in many different ways, some good some bad. We are fortunate that this change brought us a whole lota good. Its a small world when you choose to make it one, where family and friends are concerned.

macpappy · 01-14-2009, 08:08 AM

I joined CS the summer of 2007 and immediately felt welcome and comfortable with the forum. I was also one of the members who said we should all give it a chance after the change was announced. As someone who didn't have the time and effort invested in CS that some members did, I was willing to wait and see what the new management would do to the site.

The biggest changes I saw after Caputo became the owner was not anything he did immediately but the negativity that came out of a number of the old time CS members who did not like the fact that change was occurring and the vibe I got from some members who moved over from other forums. That changed the CS environment and when I was provided the information about the Asylum I joined.

Now that the official change has been made to Puff.com, I would say that many of the predictions made about the other site have come true or coming close to happening. That makes me glad to have the Asylum to visit.

But I am not giving up my membership at the other site. Why? Because it may not be the same old CS and I may not personally like everything that has happened over there, but it can still be another source of information about cigars and the world in general. Hey! I don't like everything in Cigar Aficianado. I don't like everything about Cigar magazine. But I still read them.

And I have noticed that there are quite a few of us who are still participating in discussions over there - at least for now. The number of times I visit the other site is decreasing and I think many of you are doing the same. That will mean less traffic for the other site in the short term, but then those numbers will bounce up and down as other "clubhouses" are brought on line so I would guess that losing a few hundred active members will really have little affect on the other site.

That's just my opinion.

floydpink · 01-14-2009, 08:36 AM

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

md4958 · 01-14-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by floydpink

I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something;

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something?

I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name?

I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious.

Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part)

he could care less about the name ClubStogie... as you can see it didnt last long.. what he really wanted to purchase was our memberships... even if we dont use our accounts, our accounts are still active. The more members, the more $$ he can charge for advertising.

A membership at ClubStogie now is kinda like herpes, once you got it, you aint gettin rid of it

Blueface · 01-14-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by md4958

A membership at ClubStogie now is kinda like herpes, once you got it, you aint gettin rid of it

YIKES!!!

Jbailey · 01-14-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

YIKES!!!

Did you really need to add pictures Carlos?

01-14-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by floydpink

Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? (that was the jab part)

As regards Puff, I could have learnt to live with the addition of new sections and advertising. The former is not necessarily a bad idea and could provide the user with interesting information, and the latter, provided it remains cigar focussed, could actually be of commercial interest to the user or, if one dislikes it, could easily be blocked by security software. Furthermore, I am not intrinsically opposed to his having turned CS into commercial venture.

That said, the particular form that his venture took I dislike. I find the new logo and name unattractive, to say the least, and the relegation of the forum is lamentable. CS, Louie, and the jungle as a social forum for, and community of, cigar lovers, should have remained paramount.

rizzle · 01-14-2009, 09:20 AM

Ji,
I don't know you from Adam, but that was some fine posting. Take care my friend.

poker · 01-14-2009, 08:57 AM

CS will always hold a special place in my heart.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the moderation team of old CS members in place at Puff. All the guys here know you mods there have your hands full trying to keep order during a chaotic time. I am partially to blame for thinking I could stay until CS changed before making a decision to leave, but my heart was not in it, and the last person I will lie to is myself.

Many of us CS moderators (myself included) felt the mod team no longer dictated the flow of things there. Decisions we agreed on as mods were being overridden by Jon. I personally felt my services there as a mod were no longer needed.
With the collective efforts of the old CS mod team, we decided that something had to be done, but what could we do?

At that point, the Asylum was born. Never intended to compete against any other cigar forums. Never designed to plague or cause distress to other websites.
Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did. All 11 of us felt we had a responsibility to the members of Club Stogie to provide a place they could go to if they chose to do so.

While it is flattering that many folks feel a loyalty to Cigar Asylum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of multiple cigar forums.

Kreth · 01-14-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by poker

Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did.

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition...

croatan · 01-14-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition...

It's a double entendre. Take it as you will. Both definitions are appropriate.

icehog3 · 01-14-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

So the original intent of the name was that definition of asylum? And now it's morphed into the other definition...

A little of both, tongue-in-cheek, so to speak.

Jbailey · 01-14-2009, 09:54 AM

For Perry it's a sanctuary for crazies.

thebiglebowski · 01-14-2009, 10:06 AM

well... i don't want to be a leading puffer fish - whatever that is (i feel like the seinfeld episode with the puffy shirt).

i'm here now.

Blueface · 01-14-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbailey

For Perry it's a sanctuary for crazies.

That is because most places that treat folks with those issues won't accept him.
He is "over qualified".

01-14-2009, 03:44 AM	#1
livwire68 Las Vegas Herf Crew Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the Asylum Posts: 509 Trading: (7)	Re: It's happening I was a member at CS for a couple years, I cant say I am sad to see it go. The reason being is that the heart of it is here at CA. Home is where the heart is! Everything we had there we have here, I just happen to log on in a forum with a different name, almost as if the other place never existed. Change comes to us in many different ways, some good some bad. We are fortunate that this change brought us a whole lota good. Its a small world when you choose to make it one, where family and friends are concerned. __________________

01-14-2009, 08:08 AM	#2
macpappy Rider on the storm. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Slidell, LA Posts: 851 Trading: (0)	Re: It's happening I joined CS the summer of 2007 and immediately felt welcome and comfortable with the forum. I was also one of the members who said we should all give it a chance after the change was announced. As someone who didn't have the time and effort invested in CS that some members did, I was willing to wait and see what the new management would do to the site. The biggest changes I saw after Caputo became the owner was not anything he did immediately but the negativity that came out of a number of the old time CS members who did not like the fact that change was occurring and the vibe I got from some members who moved over from other forums. That changed the CS environment and when I was provided the information about the Asylum I joined. Now that the official change has been made to Puff.com, I would say that many of the predictions made about the other site have come true or coming close to happening. That makes me glad to have the Asylum to visit. But I am not giving up my membership at the other site. Why? Because it may not be the same old CS and I may not personally like everything that has happened over there, but it can still be another source of information about cigars and the world in general. Hey! I don't like everything in Cigar Aficianado. I don't like everything about Cigar magazine. But I still read them. And I have noticed that there are quite a few of us who are still participating in discussions over there - at least for now. The number of times I visit the other site is decreasing and I think many of you are doing the same. That will mean less traffic for the other site in the short term, but then those numbers will bounce up and down as other "clubhouses" are brought on line so I would guess that losing a few hundred active members will really have little affect on the other site. That's just my opinion. __________________ WARNING: I am a Southern White Male. I have a brain and I know how to use it.

01-14-2009, 08:36 AM	#3
floydpink crazy diamond Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: Orlando Posts: 1,955 Trading: (17)	Re: It's happening I like to think I am not completely ignorant when it comes to financial matters, but am stumped on something; Why would Jon buy CS then change the name? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just start Puff and use the undisclosed amount he used to purchase CS to spread some goodwill or something? I guess the answer probably is that Jon never expected the mass exodus of former CS'ers and figured them membership came with the price of the name? I honestly am not intending this as a jab at Caputo, I am sincerely curious. Is it possible he has more bucks than brains? (that was the jab part) __________________ "If we weren't all crazy we would go insane"

01-14-2009, 09:20 AM	#8
rizzle Order Restored Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: st pete, fl Posts: 2,679 Trading: (23)	Re: It's happening Ji, I don't know you from Adam, but that was some fine posting. Take care my friend.

01-14-2009, 08:57 AM	#9
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: It's happening CS will always hold a special place in my heart. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the moderation team of old CS members in place at Puff. All the guys here know you mods there have your hands full trying to keep order during a chaotic time. I am partially to blame for thinking I could stay until CS changed before making a decision to leave, but my heart was not in it, and the last person I will lie to is myself. Many of us CS moderators (myself included) felt the mod team no longer dictated the flow of things there. Decisions we agreed on as mods were being overridden by Jon. I personally felt my services there as a mod were no longer needed. With the collective efforts of the old CS mod team, we decided that something had to be done, but what could we do? At that point, the Asylum was born. Never intended to compete against any other cigar forums. Never designed to plague or cause distress to other websites. Our only intention was to create a safe haven for those who felt as we did. All 11 of us felt we had a responsibility to the members of Club Stogie to provide a place they could go to if they chose to do so. While it is flattering that many folks feel a loyalty to Cigar Asylum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a member of multiple cigar forums. __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching

01-14-2009, 09:54 AM	#13
Jbailey Brewcifer Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Madison, WI Posts: 5,218 Trading: (17)	Re: It's happening For Perry it's a sanctuary for crazies.

01-14-2009, 10:06 AM	#14
thebiglebowski Jack White's Roadie... Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: larry Location: music city, USA Posts: 665 Trading: (0)	Re: It's happening well... i don't want to be a leading puffer fish - whatever that is (i feel like the seinfeld episode with the puffy shirt). i'm here now.