Saints accused of "Bounty Program". Thoughts?

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Care to explain hockey, boxing, MMA, et al.?

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent. The object of boxing, like all such sports, is to likewise score more points than the opponent. If the intent is to cause physical harm, then that is a felony. One can't even say that they gave consent to be harmed, because a person cannot legally give that consent. Injuries incidental to a particular sport are accidents, but when someone is targeted for harm...well, what would you call it?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent. The object of boxing, like all such sports, is to likewise score more points than the opponent. If the intent is to cause physical harm, then that is a felony. One can't even say that they gave consent to be harmed, because a person cannot legally give that consent. Injuries incidental to a particular sport are accidents, but when someone is targeted for harm...well, what would you call it?

1. The object of the game is to win; whether it be hockey, boxing, football, or tiddlywinks. What boxer (unless we're talking about Pretty Boy Floyd) goes in thinking, "gee, I hope to outpoint my opponenet"?

2. If it's done within the confines (rules) of the game, it isn't illegal, period.

3. As much as the league already babies the offense, if anything out of the ordinary was happening on the playing field wouldn't it have been reflected in fines, suspensions, or other penalties?

Sorry, it isn't against the rules to hit someone hard.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Stephen

1. The object of the game is to win; whether it be hockey, boxing, football, or tiddlywinks. What boxer (unless we're talking about Pretty Boy Floyd) goes in thinking, "gee, I hope to outpoint my opponent"?

2. If it's done within the confines (rules) of the game, it isn't illegal, period.

3. As much as the league already babies the offense, if anything out of the ordinary was happening on the playing field wouldn't it have been reflected in fines, suspensions, or other penalties?

Sorry, it isn't against the rules to hit someone hard.

Pretty Boy Floyd was a gangster, not a boxer, but you may be on to something: why not just issue everybody pistols?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

why not just issue everybody pistols?

Because everyone would shoot your straw man.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Because everyone would shoot your straw man.

That's not a "Straw Man" argument, it's Reductio Ad Absurdum, but it sure sounded clever.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

That's not a "Straw Man" argument, it's Reductio Ad Absurdum, but it sure sounded clever.

Must've suffered one too many blows to the head.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent.

I'm not exactly up to speed with all the hockey rules, so would you please tell me how many points this is worth? Thanks.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I'm not exactly up to speed with all the hockey rules, so would you please tell me how many points this is worth? Thanks.

None, of course.

[jluck]

I have watched this happen at the grade school level. Theres one "school" on the local reservation that always targets the best players of other teams with "incentives" to do so.

At the pro leval....Yea it's uncool but It's entertainment, Great for drama and media buzz. It keeps people talking about it thus bringing in money. Next thing you know they will find performance enhancing drugs in pro sports.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

It all has to do with intent. The object of hockey is not to harm anyone, it is to score more points than your opponent. The object of boxing, like all such sports, is to likewise score more points than the opponent. If the intent is to cause physical harm, then that is a felony. One can't even say that they gave consent to be harmed, because a person cannot legally give that consent. Injuries incidental to a particular sport are accidents, but when someone is targeted for harm...well, what would you call it?

What about the MMA?
Please explain that one.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by smitty81

What about the MMA?
Please explain that one.

Found this on Wiki:

...The more dangerous Vale Tudo style bouts of the early UFCs were made safer with the implementation of additional rules, leading to the popular regulated form of MMA seen today. Originally promoted as a competition with the intention of finding the most effective martial arts for real unarmed combat situations, competitors were pitted against one another with minimal rules. Later, fighters employed multiple martial arts into their style while promoters adopted additional rules aimed at increasing safety for competitors and to promote mainstream acceptance of the sport.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Found this on Wiki:

...The more dangerous Vale Tudo style bouts of the early UFCs were made safer with the implementation of additional rules, leading to the popular regulated form of MMA seen today. Originally promoted as a competition with the intention of finding the most effective martial arts for real unarmed combat situations, competitors were pitted against one another with minimal rules. Later, fighters employed multiple martial arts into their style while promoters adopted additional rules aimed at increasing safety for competitors and to promote mainstream acceptance of the sport.

So your telling me that when the kick them in the head and knock them out, or throw them down and continue to punch them in their face till they are unconsious or bend their limbs untill they either break or give up.

Your telling me they arnt just beating the **** out of eachother?

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by smitty81

So your telling me that when the kick them in the head and knock them out, or throw them down and continue to punch them in their face till they are unconscious or bend their limbs until they either break or give up.

Your telling me they aren't just beating the **** out of each other?

If that's what they're doing, then it isn't a sport, it's this:

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Found this on Wiki:

...The more dangerous Vale Tudo style bouts of the early UFCs were made safer with the implementation of additional rules, leading to the popular regulated form of MMA seen today. Originally promoted as a competition with the intention of finding the most effective martial arts for real unarmed combat situations, competitors were pitted against one another with minimal rules. Later, fighters employed multiple martial arts into their style while promoters adopted additional rules aimed at increasing safety for competitors and to promote mainstream acceptance of the sport.

I will never, and I mean NEVER forget the Keith Hackney and Joe Son fight.