Bcs - wtf 2011

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by rizzle

Understand your point completely. It may not be "fair", but it is what we have. Life isn't fair. And if we're trying to discredit teams based on the whole strenght of schedule, etc, argument, you can't. Because all the rankings are subjective anyway. It's all somebody's opinion.

However, I can tell you this -- you'll never get me, or any other SEC fans, to agree that BIG 12 is a stronger conference top to bottom than the SEC. That dog ain't hunting with us. So, nyah...

Again, you skirted the question....

Not asking you to say it is fair or agree that the BIG12 is better ect....?

I am asking that if the shoe was on the other foot, would you think Alabama was getting the shaft....?

Would you, but on a more personal level, feel like I do....that the wrong team is playing in the BCS Championship game....?

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Again, you skirted the question....

Not asking you to say it is fair or agree that the BIG12 is better ect....?

I am asking that if the shoe was on the other foot, would you think Alabama was getting the shaft....?

Would you, but on a more personal level, feel like I do....that the wrong team is playing in the BCS Championship game....?

I've felt many times we "should have" gotten/done something. But I don't feel anyone getting shafted. I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. Because I wouldn't feel we were shafted, I would feel like it was our fault we lost when it mattered.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by rizzle

I've felt many times we "should have" gotten/done something. But I don't feel anyone getting shafted. I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. Because I wouldn't feel we were shafted, I would feel like it was our fault we lost when it mattered.

If that is your honest assessment and you feel like if the tables were turned & even with a tougher schedule, conference championship ect, you were being held out of a chance at the BCS Championship, by a team that aready played(at home) and lost to the eventual opponent, you'd feel it was on your team, you didn't do what you needed to do, great attitude. Fair enough.

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by E.J.

If that is your honest assessment and you feel like if the tables were turned & even with a tougher schedule, conference championship ect, you were being held out of a chance at the BCS Championship, by a team that aready played(at home) and lost to the eventual opponent, you'd feel it was on your team, you didn't do what you needed to do, great attitude. Fair enough.

That's the way I would feel. But again, tougher schedule--totally subjective.

Just as a side thought, who is the Big Ten champion?

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by rizzle

That's the way I would feel. But again, tougher schedule--totally subjective.

Just as a side thought, who is the Big Ten champion?

See...you keep justifying(the schedule thing), if you had the tougher schedule, you wouldn't be doing that...IMO, you'd be bringing it up to back your side. See, that is how I feel like you have an inability to look at this objectively.... That said, I am not saying I have to be right.... Just discussing...

Wisconsin Badgers I believe

[Powers]

Originally Posted by E.J.

See...you keep justifying(the schedule thing), if you had the tougher schedule, you wouldn't be doing that...IMO, you'd be bringing it up to back your side. See, that is how I feel like you have an inability to look at this objectively.... That said, I am not saying I have to be right.... Just discussing...

Wisconsin Badgers I believe

I don't know if you quite understand how much football in the SEC and the team you root for means. It goes beyond "I like this team/they're my alma mater".

Example: my grandfather starting working collecting tickets and selling Coke at Florida field in the late 1940s, got season tickets in the '60s and still does. My mother had a poster of Steve Spurrier in her room growing up. I grew up idolizing Danny Wuerffel and my little cousin was trained at the age of 2 to respond when asked "What do Gators eat for breakfast?" "Bulldogs!"

What I'm trying to say is that, for a substantial number of us, your SEC football team is a part of your identity. And that makes it difficult for objectivity

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by Powers

I don't know if you quite understand how much football in the SEC and the team you root for means. It goes beyond "I like this team/they're my alma mater".

Example: my grandfather starting working collecting tickets and selling Coke at Florida field in the late 1940s, got season tickets in the '60s and still does. My mother had a poster of Steve Spurrier in her room growing up. I grew up idolizing Danny Wuerffel and my little cousin was trained at the age of 2 to respond when asked "What do Gators eat for breakfast?" "Bulldogs!"

What I'm trying to say is that, for a substantial number of us, your SEC football team is a part of your identity. And that makes it difficult for objectivity

I think I understand, I am just having discussion, attempting to show another side. People don't have to agree, but there is no doubt that it has to have them think. It is why I have qualified many times that I really feel there are many here that have an inability to look at this objectivly.

Originally Posted by rizzle

Yep. Wisconsin. Beat Michigan State in the title game. After Michigan State already beat them earlier this year. Not that it matters, I'm just making a point.

So who goes to the Rose Bowl, the conference champion? Not that it matters, just making a point...

[OLS]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Again, you skirted the question....

Not asking you to say it is fair or agree that the BIG12 is better ect....?

I am asking that if the shoe was on the other foot, would you think Alabama was getting the shaft....?

Would you, but on a more personal level, feel like I do....that the wrong team is playing in the BCS Championship game....?

I think you are right in that Rizzle and 'the others' cound NOT step outside themselves and see
that OK state is getting the shaft. Especially now that this rematch is not only looking more
possible with every loss by others, but actually set in stone. But that is the nature of things.
I am not sure I could either. I again bargain from a position of concensus, LSU is in. But in
another thread, it goes on still. People counting rankings from August and September when no one
knew WHAT was going to happen. That is the luxury of people who are IN and the bane of people
who are OUT. Always will be.
But that is why I laughed when Rizzle asked you "Who do YOU think is the best team, Alabama or LSU?"
He wanted to know where you were coming from so he could categorize 'the outlander', lol. It's just a
natural thing to do when your team is under attack, "who are my allies?' But all that said, I like this
thread more than the other one that is just unbearable right now, and yes, I started a lot of it.

----Edit---- I think one of the main reasons why they will not feel like OK state is getting the shaft
is that argument I made earlier, that bama has "4 top 25 wins". This is something that I think most
of them will adhere to over the long haul. You can chart OKstate's 4 top 25 wins right now, in the final
standings. In order to do it for bama, you have to start using what they call in Washington "fuzzy math".
And before I become the butthole again, let me state for the record that this is completely natural.
bama fans are fervent supporters of their team with an agenda to go with it, just like LSU would
be were OUR situations reversed. It is basically saying "the season is over for me now" or NOT saying
that. I remember I called my BIL who is a Duke fan a few years ago to ask him if he was watching
Memphis in the finals. He was sleeping. he told me "no, I quit caring about all that the night Duke
got bounced out."

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by OLS

But all that said, I like this
thread more than the other one that is just unbearable right now, and yes, I started a lot of it.

That other thread was quite amusing.... It would have been interesting to have watched it develop from day one. I made it about 2.5 pages and was in not so many words, told my presence there was not welcome by some....

My comments were no different than here, which I do not think appear to be argumentative or arguing just to argue.... I guess being that it was a SEC football thread and I was not chanting SEC...SEC....SEC, I probably shouldn't get involved anyway....what did I expect....

Who knows, to each their own...

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by OLS

I think you are right in that Rizzle and 'the others' cound NOT step outside themselves and see
that OK state is getting the shaft. Especially now that this rematch is not only looking more
possible with every loss by others, but actually set in stone. But that is the nature of things.
I am not sure I could either. I again bargain from a position of concensus, LSU is in. But in
another thread, it goes on still. People counting rankings from August and September when no one
knew WHAT was going to happen. That is the luxury of people who are IN and the bane of people
who are OUT. Always will be.
But that is why I laughed when Rizzle asked you "Who do YOU think is the best team, Alabama or LSU?"
He wanted to know where you were coming from so he could categorize 'the outlander', lol. It's just a
natural thing to do when your team is under attack, "who are my allies?' But all that said, I like this
thread more than the other one that is just unbearable right now, and yes, I started a lot of it.

----Edit---- I think one of the main reasons why they will not feel like OK state is getting the shaft
is that argument I made earlier, that bama has "4 top 25 wins". This is something that I think most
of them will adhere to over the long haul. You can chart OKstate's 4 top 25 wins right now, in the final
standings. In order to do it for bama, you have to start using what they call in Washington "fuzzy math".
And before I become the butthole again, let me state for the record that this is completely natural.
bama fans are fervent supporters of their team with an agenda to go with it, just like LSU would
be were OUR situations reversed. It is basically saying "the season is over for me now" or NOT saying
that. I remember I called my BIL who is a Duke fan a few years ago to ask him if he was watching
Memphis in the finals. He was sleeping. he told me "no, I quit caring about all that the night Duke
got bounced out."

Go back and re-read, Brad. Never, ever did I ask that question.

[OLS]

Originally Posted by rizzle

Go back and re-read, Brad. Never, ever did I ask that question.

Damnit, I knew I needed to go and get that acutal quote....yep, you got me, I read thorough it incorrectly.
The question should have been taken in context, and instead I took it as you asking the kind of question
I wanted you to be asking. I KNOW we never got a straight answer out of EJ on that one. I am also
curious on that from anyone, I THINK that OS got the shaft, but I cannot come up with a team I think is
either better than Bama OR capable of beating the Tigers.