What makes a good cigar a good cigar?

alfredo_buscatti · 09-09-2011, 08:27 AM

If the flavor suits me, or even better, beguiles me, I don't care if a cigar is monochromatic.

Doctorossi · 09-09-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alfredo_buscatti

If the flavor suits me, or even better, beguiles me, I don't care if a cigar is monochromatic.

Yes, exactly. Multiple flavors, culminating in a complex experience, is one way to skin a cat (and one I particularly enjoy), but I can put a cigar in this category for a number of reasons.

Zanaspus · 09-09-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by alfredo_buscatti

If the flavor suits me, or even better, beguiles me, I don't care if a cigar is monochromatic.

This, Padron core line is a great example. Pretty one note, but it's a damned fine note!

SvilleKid · 09-09-2011, 11:05 AM

Scott, This is an excellent post for all to read, as it gives a point that many need to consider.

What really tweeks my interest is the following:

What I really, really, really dislike in a cigar is soulless singularity. So many of the boutique blends today taste great. After ten minutes they taste great. An hour in, they're the same great taste. Two hours in, they've never faltered and not changed one iota from when I sparked up, they still taste great

See, I'm just the opposite. I actually prefer a cigar, that once I'm enjoying the taste, doesn't change in the middle! That's a "comfort zone" kinda stick for me, especially when I really want to just relax, and do absolutely nothing!

This doesn't mean I have no place for sticks that change! Otherwise, I would not own multiple boxes of CCs! However, I more regularly find myself wanting a stick that will be the same throughout.

This just re-emphasizes what most of us here already know, that we all have different tastes, and that somewhere out there, there are usually one or more sticks that will really get us excited for a specific cigar!

For some reason, one part of your post made me flash back to the first Cremosa I smoked

Something in there about wrapper, sticks.....

Thanks for the post and the understanding

RevSmoke · 09-09-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

Scott, This is an excellent post for all to read, as it gives a point that many need to consider.

What really tweeks my interest is the following:

What I really, really, really dislike in a cigar is soulless singularity. So many of the boutique blends today taste great. After ten minutes they taste great. An hour in, they're the same great taste. Two hours in, they've never faltered and not changed one iota from when I sparked up, they still taste great

See, I'm just the opposite. I actually prefer a cigar, that once I'm enjoying the taste, doesn't change in the middle! That's a "comfort zone" kinda stick for me, especially when I really want to just relax, and do absolutely nothing!

This doesn't mean I have no place for sticks that change! Otherwise, I would not own multiple boxes of CCs! However, I more regularly find myself wanting a stick that will be the same throughout.

This just re-emphasizes what most of us here already know, that we all have different tastes, and that somewhere out there, there are usually one or more sticks that will really get us excited for a specific cigar!

There is a time for the comfortable smoke (taste doesn't change much) and a time to have that complexity sink in.

Hey Scott, I have a question, maybe our problem is the reverse? Maybe the true art is getting a cigar that remains fairly consistent from beginning to end? Maybe anybody can just blend tobacco that produces a constant change of flavor from beginning to end, but never really settles into anything.

I guess, I really should clarify, I don't want drastic change - I just want some complexity, same flavors even with some different nuances making and appearance would be great. I notice that lots of reviews look at cigars in 1/3s, and how cigars change. I think my real problem is with cigars with no change whatsoever, the first puff is the same as every puff inbetween.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

shilala · 09-09-2011, 11:54 AM

There is a time for the comfortab smoke (taste doesn't change much) and a time to have that complexity sink in.
I tend to turn to machine made cc's or other little stuff at those times. That way I can smoke three or four cigars and not get bored. I admit I'm just as likely to smoke an Anejo, though. I think I've found so many cigars that I define as good that those are my comfort smokes. I used to smoke a truckload of Sancho Panza Double Maduros, though. They were pretty singular, but there was enough complexity to keep me satisfied.

Hey Scott, I have a question, maybe our problem is the reverse? Maybe the true art is getting a cigar that remains fairly consistent from beginning to end? Maybe anybody can just blend tobacco that produces a constant change of flavor from beginning to end, but never really settles into anything.
Ya know what? I don't know if I can buy that, but I hadn't considered that guys may be purposely blending out complexity for some insane reason. I can find consistant from beginning to end in lots of super cheap value smokes, so I don't think that really requires much skill. Maybe it'd require more skill in a double churchill or a big honkin figurado, but that's another idea.

I guess, I really should clarify, I don't want drastic change - I just want some complexity, same flavors even with some different nuances making and appearance would be great. I notice that lots of reviews look at cigars in 1/3s, and how cigars change. I think my real problem is with cigars with no change whatsoever, the first puff is the same as every puff inbetween.
Agreed on the drastic change, to a point. Developing into a climax is more accurate. Even if that apex is a mixture of all or some or the flavors that creates something, that's good. That made me think "cooking". Take good stuff, apply heat, something really good happens that's even better, but you can tell where it came from.
I've seen the thirds reviews. I think that's helpful when a cigar has really done nothing to mention and there's some need to heap words on it at a few waypoints. You can't do that with a cigar that's morphing (beit quickly at times or slowly throughout) and tossing in some nuances and flashes along the way. You really have to review it in a storyline just the way it happens. Those are fun reviews to read.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
And also with you, my friend.

09-09-2011, 08:27 AM	#1
alfredo_buscatti Adjusting to the Life Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Mike Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 277 Trading: (9)	Re: What makes a good cigar a good cigar? If the flavor suits me, or even better, beguiles me, I don't care if a cigar is monochromatic.

09-09-2011, 11:05 AM	#4
SvilleKid Yes I am a Pirate Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 33°46′08″N 86°28′16″W / 33.76895°N 86.471037°W Posts: 2,776 Trading: (52)	Re: What makes a good cigar a good cigar? Scott, This is an excellent post for all to read, as it gives a point that many need to consider. What really tweeks my interest is the following: What I really, really, really dislike in a cigar is soulless singularity. So many of the boutique blends today taste great. After ten minutes they taste great. An hour in, they're the same great taste. Two hours in, they've never faltered and not changed one iota from when I sparked up, they still taste great See, I'm just the opposite. I actually prefer a cigar, that once I'm enjoying the taste, doesn't change in the middle! That's a "comfort zone" kinda stick for me, especially when I really want to just relax, and do absolutely nothing! This doesn't mean I have no place for sticks that change! Otherwise, I would not own multiple boxes of CCs! However, I more regularly find myself wanting a stick that will be the same throughout. This just re-emphasizes what most of us here already know, that we all have different tastes, and that somewhere out there, there are usually one or more sticks that will really get us excited for a specific cigar! For some reason, one part of your post made me flash back to the first Cremosa I smoked Something in there about wrapper, sticks..... Thanks for the post and the understanding __________________ Ceilin' fan it stirs the air, Cigar smoke does swirl. The fragrance on the pillow case, and he thinks about the girl. Thanks, JB, 1975.

09-09-2011, 11:54 AM	#6
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: What makes a good cigar a good cigar? There is a time for the comfortab smoke (taste doesn't change much) and a time to have that complexity sink in. I tend to turn to machine made cc's or other little stuff at those times. That way I can smoke three or four cigars and not get bored. I admit I'm just as likely to smoke an Anejo, though. I think I've found so many cigars that I define as good that those are my comfort smokes. I used to smoke a truckload of Sancho Panza Double Maduros, though. They were pretty singular, but there was enough complexity to keep me satisfied. Hey Scott, I have a question, maybe our problem is the reverse? Maybe the true art is getting a cigar that remains fairly consistent from beginning to end? Maybe anybody can just blend tobacco that produces a constant change of flavor from beginning to end, but never really settles into anything. Ya know what? I don't know if I can buy that, but I hadn't considered that guys may be purposely blending out complexity for some insane reason. I can find consistant from beginning to end in lots of super cheap value smokes, so I don't think that really requires much skill. Maybe it'd require more skill in a double churchill or a big honkin figurado, but that's another idea. I guess, I really should clarify, I don't want drastic change - I just want some complexity, same flavors even with some different nuances making and appearance would be great. I notice that lots of reviews look at cigars in 1/3s, and how cigars change. I think my real problem is with cigars with no change whatsoever, the first puff is the same as every puff inbetween. Agreed on the drastic change, to a point. Developing into a climax is more accurate. Even if that apex is a mixture of all or some or the flavors that creates something, that's good. That made me think "cooking". Take good stuff, apply heat, something really good happens that's even better, but you can tell where it came from. I've seen the thirds reviews. I think that's helpful when a cigar has really done nothing to mention and there's some need to heap words on it at a few waypoints. You can't do that with a cigar that's morphing (beit quickly at times or slowly throughout) and tossing in some nuances and flashes along the way. You really have to review it in a storyline just the way it happens. Those are fun reviews to read. Peace of the Lord be with you. And also with you, my friend. __________________