Sam Leccia's Debut on hold

[jesseboston81]

Originally Posted by LostAbbott

Typically NC's don't hold up too well in court. The last one I remember was an exec. leaving Microsoft for Google. MSFT tried to sue but got no where. I am not sure with the case of Sam though because it is very direct competition, also I would not be surprised if his new cigar was very similar to the Cain and NUB cigars he already made.

The fact that Oliva was able to get an injunction means that they were already able to persuade a judge that they have a good chance (legalese = "substantial likelihood") of succeeding in their overall suit to completely enforce the agreement. That's not a guarantee that Oliva will win, but it's a strong indicator.

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

[LostAbbott]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

I am thinking this is where his problems lie. If his three sizes are the same as the nub plus sizes then Olivia would have a very good case.
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[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

Originally Posted by LostAbbott

I am thinking this is where his problems lie. If his three sizes are the same as the nub plus sizes then Olivia would have a very good case.Posted via Mobile Device

For negotiation purposes:

Maybe Leccia could offer up his entire inventory of the above sizes to Olivia, and agree to not create these size vitola' for the next 5 years. In exchange;

Olivia would be asked to drop their law suit/non-compete clause, and allow Leccia to continue forward with his line of cigars, but in different size vitola' other than the size vitola' in question.

Just a thought...

[neoflex]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

At the same time it's not like these sizes are not becoming the norm among cigar manufacturers. As much as some us agree that they will never be our go to sizes these sized sticks do sell very well. I know at my local the larger RGs always sell out first.

[wayner123]

Watch this video and pay close attention at the question asked around 7:30.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v14156371Y...ccia+Interview

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by jesseboston81

Also, Sam's Debut line was directly matching up with, at least to some degree, Studio Tobac's NUB Plus plans: the announced Debut vitolas were 5x60, 7x60, and a 7x52 figurado.

Nub Plus?!



That's about the funniest idea I've heard since the original Nub!

"Look guys... this little chunk right here is the best part, so we're only going to give you that. Oh, and we're also going to give you all of this other part attached to it. You know, like all the other cigars have."

Which is it, Oliva? "Sweet spot" or not?

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Nub Plus?!



That's about the funniest idea I've heard since the original Nub!

"Look guys... this little chunk right here is the best part, so we're only going to give you that. Oh, and we're also going to give you all of this other part attached to it. You know, like all the other cigars have."

Which is it, Oliva? "Sweet spot" or not?

they exist, check http://www.cigar.com/cigars/viewcigar.asp?brand=997