Clemens Dodges A Rocket!!

[E.J.]

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

+1

[Gophernut]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by Gophernut

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

Agreed!

[BigAsh]

Most dominant pitcher I ever saw in person....with the Sox, he was fun to watch!

[taltos]

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by taltos

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

This

[ucla695]

Originally Posted by taltos

I would love to see him heavily fined or getting his butt sent to jail but that is a double standard. He is getting nailed for lying to Congress. What do they do to us on a daily basis?

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Let it be known that I'd settle for MLB to Pete Rose him....

Originally Posted by Gophernut

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

Do I think Clemens is guilty, not only of using PEDs but of lying to Congress? Yes. Do I think either of these allegations has yet been proven? No.

Do I think Pete Rose did something that Roger Clemens never did . . . violate a written rule of MLB, and in his case one which has become the one inviolate cardinal rule since the Black Sox scandel over a century ago? Yes. Do I think Rose lied about that in his repeated denials against all evidence to the contrary? Yes.

I am no Clemens fan, and if he's denied the Hall Of Fame due to these allegations, be they ever proven or not, then so be it. But I shall never . . . NEVER! . . . understand why Pete Rose supporters are so willing to overlook both his "crime" and his overweening, all-encompassing @$$holeness. Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.

That's my , and worth every penny.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.

Isn't Ty Cobb in the HOF?

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Isn't Ty Cobb in the HOF?

Yes, he certainly is. And I won't deny that both he and Rose have the stats to justify inclusion. But so does Clemens. So hold whatever opinion you choose on the "morality clause" when it comes to HoF election. All I ask is that one be consistent. Do not lobby to exclude Clemens and push for Rose to be inducted, in nearly the same breath.

It is illogical, Captain.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Yes, he certainly is. And I won't deny that both he and Rose have the stats to justify inclusion. But so does Clemens. So hold whatever opinion you choose on the "morality clause" when it comes to HoF election. All I ask is that one be consistent. Do not lobby to exclude Clemens and push for Rose to be inducted, in nearly the same breath.

It is illogical, Captain.

I never said one word against Clemens being in the HOF, here or elsewhere. I think Rose deserves it more than Clemens, but I never said Clemens should be excluded.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Gophernut

I'd rather see Rose in the HOF then Clemens.

Free Pete!



I may be the only one here that hopes Clemens gets off Scott free, b/c I think it was a joke for congress to investigate baseball. They may be douchebags, but Clemens and Bonds should NEVER have been put in those situations. Its just a game!

And I also think that all the media's issues with steroids in sports is a big hypocrisy.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by Starscream

I may be the only one here that hopes Clemens gets off Scott free, b/c I think it was a joke for congress to investigate baseball. They may be douchebags, but Clemens and Bonds should NEVER have been put in those situations. Its just a game!

Clemens put himself in the situation.... He wanted to and ask to be there...

I do not believe it is just a game..... It is a business, BIG BUSINESS....it is the exact reason the owners of two of the 4 major sports, have stopped business and locked the players out.

Billion dollar corporations that use public resources need to have governmental scrutiny, IMO.




If you are going to let Pete in, you have to let Shoeless Joe in.....

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Do I think Clemens is guilty, not only of using PEDs but of lying to Congress? Yes. Do I think either of these allegations has yet been proven? No.

Do I think Pete Rose did something that Roger Clemens never did . . . violate a written rule of MLB, and in his case one which has become the one inviolate cardinal rule since the Black Sox scandel over a century ago? Yes. Do I think Rose lied about that in his repeated denials against all evidence to the contrary? Yes.

I am no Clemens fan, and if he's denied the Hall Of Fame due to these allegations, be they ever proven or not, then so be it. But I shall never . . . NEVER! . . . understand why Pete Rose supporters are so willing to overlook both his "crime" and his overweening, all-encompassing @$$holeness. Ty Cobb was a bigger jerk than Pete Rose, but not by much.That's my , and worth every penny.

Pete Rose never beat the sh!t out of a man in a wheelchair because he was called a name, like Ty Cobb did. That being said, Pete Rose did violate a cardinal rule, and he knew the consequences.