Bugs are Bad

[enlightenedcigar]

Never in an Anejo but they are in close to every stick. Can't get that humidity too high.

[dwoodward]

Originally Posted by enlightenedcigar

Never in an Anejo but they are in close to every stick. Can't get that humidity too high.

I am not sure about humidity... usually bugs hatch because of the temperature the cigars are stored at.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by enlightenedcigar

Never in an Anejo but they are in close to every stick. Can't get that humidity too high.

Not exactly. Are you thinking of mold possibly? As mold spores are everywhere in the air and high humidity will cause mold to go bonkers.

Every leaf has the potential for eggs, but rarely is such the case. Not to mention, besides all the steps taken at the factories to prevent beetles getting into the cured leaves (they wouldn't survive the fermentation temps) many manufacturers and some large retailers also blast freeze their cigars for a further layer of protection.

The eggs can hatch at any temperature above about 64F and 50RH although prolonged exposure (a few weeks) to that temperature will kill the eggs. Larvae won't even develop at less than 62F. Once you start getting close to 70F, you're into the risk zone and the beetles have to fly to mate and they won't form wings at temps less than 71.5F, so over that, and you can start perpetuating multiple generations of the lil' bastards.

[mike]

A lot of knowledge here, I love it.

[md4958]

Originally Posted by T.G

Not exactly. Are you thinking of mold possibly? As mold spores are everywhere in the air and high humidity will cause mold to go bonkers.

Every leaf has the potential for eggs, but rarely is such the case. Not to mention, besides all the steps taken at the factories to prevent beetles getting into the cured leaves (they wouldn't survive the fermentation temps) many manufacturers and some large retailers also blast freeze their cigars for a further layer of protection.

The eggs can hatch at any temperature above about 64F and 50RH although prolonged exposure (a few weeks) to that temperature will kill the eggs. Larvae won't even develop at less than 62F. Once you start getting close to 70F, you're into the risk zone and the beetles have to fly to mate and they won't form wings at temps less than 71.5F, so over that, and you can start perpetuating multiple generations of the lil' bastards.

Adam's wicked smaat!! And that Silverfox article is great reading.

[wayner123]

I agree with most everything you wrote except this:

Originally Posted by T.G

Once you start getting close to 70F, you're into the risk zone and the beetles have to fly to mate and they won't form wings at temps less than 71.5F, so over that, and you can start perpetuating multiple generations of the lil' bastards.

The article here:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...E4A4D6A.d03t02

Shows them flying at 13C (55.4F). You and I have had this discussion before. I would greatly appreciate the article you cite for the temp of 71.5F. The article I linked shows a constant temp of 13C.


Just as a bonus, here is a good looking pdf on the subject of beetles: http://www.smcs.se/Meet%20the%20beet...mer%202008.pdf

Mind you, it's from cigar magazine. So take it for what it's worth.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by wayner123

I agree with most everything you wrote except s:




The article here:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...E4A4D6A.d03t02

Shows them flying at 13C (55.4F). You and I have had this discussion before. I would greatly appreciate the article you cite for the temp of 71.5F. The article I linked shows a constant temp of 13C.


Just as a bonus, here is a good looking pdf on the subject of beetles: http://www.smcs.se/Meet%20the%20beet...mer%202008.pdf

Mind you, it's from cigar magazine. So take it for what it's worth.

I don't actually recall having this conversation with you before.

It appears that you missed the key word "form" - this is something that happens during chrysalis from a larvae to an adult. Not that a fully formed adult can't fly in colder temps. And of course, there are always exceptions.

You also should try reading the PDF from Cigar Magazine that you linked to before you attempt to wave it around.

Look at page 3 under "Temperature is Key"