Johnny-O Corona Gorda

[E.J.]

Had my first, a MAG47, and thought it was a tasty treat. I am not great at pulling out flavors, but it was spicy and sweet, great draw and burn. If I had space and the same sticks were available, I'd buy a bundle in a heartbeat.

[Blueface]

Would love to know how these are Cubans.
I understand they are rolled in Miami, the capital of purported Cuban cigars found on many corners, brought by a friend of a friend screwing a friend of the manager of the factory.
Home of the $150 box of supposed Cohibas.
That said, if rolled in Miami, how many believe bundles of Cuban tobacco are just conveniently being dropped on Collins Ave., along with the Cuban exiles?
How does one suppose that prized tobacco gets here?
I think they are about as Cuban as Al Pacino playing Tony Montana.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Would love to know how these are Cubans.
I understand they are rolled in Miami, the capital of purported Cuban cigars found on many corners, brought by a friend of a friend screwing a friend of the manager of the factory.
Home of the $150 box of supposed Cohibas.
That said, if rolled in Miami, how many believe bundles of Cuban tobacco are just conveniently being dropped on Collins Ave., along with the Cuban exiles?
How does one suppose that prized tobacco gets here?
I think they are about as Cuban as Al Pacino playing Tony Montana.

Could not care less if they are Cuban..... I don't enjoy a smoke more or less related to where someone said it came from....

That said, as far as how bundles of Cuban tobacco gets to Collins Ave, I would guess the same way cigars get into BOTL's mailboxes.... If there is a will, chances are that the way is not that hard....

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Could not care less if they are Cuban..... I don't enjoy a smoke more or less related to where someone said it came from....

That said, as far as how bundles of Cuban tobacco gets to Collins Ave, I would guess the same way cigars get into BOTL's mailboxes.... If there is a will, chances are that the way is not that hard....

Well, I would personally care to know if Cuban or not as that is what they are purported to be and that is the product I am expecting. Would you buy boxes of Cubans, risk shipment to your home, and not care what was in it? If they were supposed to be "who cares", that would be different.

As it relates to how they get to Collins v. cigars in your mailbox, two vastly different concepts here that can't be related.
One involves a box or two of cigars in a discrete package.
Have you ever seen a bundle of tobacco? Like to see how that will fit in a mailbox and just how dumb one expects our Homeland department to be.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Well, I would personally care to know if Cuban or not as that is what they are purported to be and that is the product I am expecting. Would you buy boxes of Cubans, risk shipment to your home, and not care what was in it? If they were supposed to be "who cares", that would be different.

As it relates to how they get to Collins v. cigars in your mailbox, two vastly different concepts here that can't be related.
One involves a box or two of cigars in a discrete package.
Have you ever seen a bundle of tobacco? Like to see how that will fit in a mailbox and just how dumb one expects our Homeland department to be.

Not to hijack....but

Point #1-
There is no risk in shipment, so you are really just talking taste....correct? As far as I know, these are legal cigars rolled in the United States with tobacco leafs from who knows where. I had a tasty cigar....if it is actually Cuban tobacco, great....if not, great.... Again, could not care less....as I am very satisfied with the product and would buy again. I honestly didn't come in with the thought that I need to be buying Cuban tobacco or I am going to be fired up. I did not expect them to arrive with a Habanos stamp or whatever.

I had the opportunity to pick up some US rolled cigars that could be tasty, at a nice price and I pulled the trigger. In the end, I don't have some hang up that if I am smoking anything other than Cuban tobacco, I am smoking inferior product. I buy cigars to try and if I like them, I try to buy more... I don't care where the leaf was grown.

I guess, in conclusion on this point... Someone could tell me that they were going to give me an unlimited amount of unbanded Cuban leaf cigars that were 100% authentic, but rolled in the United States. When I smoked said cigars, I thought they were great and was pleased. I don't want testing on the leaf to confirm the soil it came from...I smoke it for what it is....rolled up leafs that we call a cigar. People can call it whatever the Hell they want....I'll call it a nice cigar.

If someone likes a cigar, but changes their mind after finding out where it was grown, or they think a cigar is average and the it becomes better, after finding out where it was grown.....well....

Point #2 -
Bundles of tobacco leave Cuba correct? Bundles of tobacco come into the USA correct? So making those bundles appear to be something other than a bundle from Cuba seem almost easy to me... I assume the leaf doesn't have small pics of Fidel that show up under black light or something....

I don't know....I don't deal in trade of tobacco leaf or know anything about the business. But it seems that if other shops outside of Cuba are getting leaf to do custom rolls, it would not be hard to forward that to the US for a price and do them here....as we are talking about limited numbers.

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Point #2 -
Bundles of tobacco leave Cuba correct?

Nope. Not legally anyway.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Nope. Not legally anyway.

I did not know that. I assumed when shops had individuals come in and roll customs at their shops, the tobacco was not smuggled out....but purchased for that purpose.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Not to hijack....but

Point #1-
There is no risk in shipment, so you are really just talking taste....correct? As far as I know, these are legal cigars rolled in the United States with tobacco leafs from who knows where. I had a tasty cigar....if it is actually Cuban tobacco, great....if not, great.... Again, could not care less....as I am very satisfied with the product and would buy again. I honestly didn't come in with the thought that I need to be buying Cuban tobacco or I am going to be fired up. I did not expect them to arrive with a Habanos stamp or whatever.

I had the opportunity to pick up some US rolled cigars that could be tasty, at a nice price and I pulled the trigger. In the end, I don't have some hang up that if I am smoking anything other than Cuban tobacco, I am smoking inferior product. I buy cigars to try and if I like them, I try to buy more... I don't care where the leaf was grown.

I guess, in conclusion on this point... Someone could tell me that they were going to give me an unlimited amount of unbanded Cuban leaf cigars that were 100% authentic, but rolled in the United States. When I smoked said cigars, I thought they were great and was pleased. I don't want testing on the leaf to confirm the soil it came from...I smoke it for what it is....rolled up leafs that we call a cigar. People can call it whatever the Hell they want....I'll call it a nice cigar.

If someone likes a cigar, but changes their mind after finding out where it was grown, or they think a cigar is average and the it becomes better, after finding out where it was grown.....well....

Point #2 -
Bundles of tobacco leave Cuba correct? Bundles of tobacco come into the USA correct? So making those bundles appear to be something other than a bundle from Cuba seem almost easy to me... I assume the leaf doesn't have small pics of Fidel that show up under black light or something....

I don't know....I don't deal in trade of tobacco leaf or know anything about the business. But it seems that if other shops outside of Cuba are getting leaf to do custom rolls, it would not be hard to forward that to the US for a price and do them here....as we are talking about limited numbers.

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Nope. Not legally anyway.

Point #2 has been addressed for me.

Point #1, while lengthy, can be summarized as follows:
I will sell you a diamond comparable to the cost of a few boxes of cigars.
It will be presented as a flawless, high quality diamond.
You will love it, I assure you. Friends will compliment you.
It will be brilliant.
Turns out it is really a cheap, well made Cubic Zirconia.

Care to make that deal?
PM me your addy in exchange for the cigars.

[Tarks]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Nope. Not legally anyway.

Some high profile Cuban rollers are given permission to leave Cuba with raw leaf.

[landhoney]

Who says these are rolled in Miami? That's what I want to know.

It is my understanding they are rolled in Cuba. Some of the more recent batches (certain sizes) are reportedly rolled by Santos, as advertised by Johnny-O himself. He said they were rolled my a 'world famous roller' and I inquired, and he said they were rolled by Santos.

Now that may or may not be true, no idea.

All I know is that I tried a bundle of the 'shorts' reportedly rolled by Santos. Delivered they were $3.60 a piece and are PC/Mareva size, and probably the best $3.60 (and only ) cigar I have had. Nice and strong, some complexity, and they change flavors from start to finish. I smoke them when washing my car or when doing something were I don't want/need to think about the cigar, or whatever.

I have had some of his cigars before, and some were very good and some were very ordinary and not enjoyable.

I am personally in the camp that does not care where they come from, some of them are good cigars at a good price, and worthy of the risk every so often.
Oh, and Carlos, I'll bring a couple for you to try for yourself next we meet (soon I hope).

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Point #2 -
Bundles of tobacco leave Cuba correct? Bundles of tobacco come into the USA correct?

I think we are more likely to see kilos cocaine leaving before bundles of tobacco in Cuba.

[forgop]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Well, I would personally care to know if Cuban or not as that is what they are purported to be and that is the product I am expecting. Would you buy boxes of Cubans, risk shipment to your home, and not care what was in it? If they were supposed to be "who cares", that would be different.

As it relates to how they get to Collins v. cigars in your mailbox, two vastly different concepts here that can't be related.
One involves a box or two of cigars in a discrete package.
Have you ever seen a bundle of tobacco? Like to see how that will fit in a mailbox and just how dumb one expects our Homeland department to be.

I've smoked 3-4 O's. In my opinion, they are cuban. You know that distinct smell you get when you open a box of habanos? These have the same smell in my opinion and I don't know of anything that provides the same smell.

Aside from that, you have to be willing to understand that you feel like it's a good cigar at the price you paid. You do that whether it's from Cuba, Nicaragua, the DR, etc, so I'm sure those who've enjoyed them don't reall care where they come from. Well, at least aside from those who smoke something from Cuba just to say they're smoking a Cuban. Carrying on about whether the cigar is of lesser value just because it's not Cuban is dumb IMO.

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by forgop

Carrying on about whether the cigar is of lesser value just because it's not Cuban is dumb IMO.

I am not sure that is what Carlos is saying. I take it that he is wondering why they are being represented as Cuban cigars when nobody can verify it and you hear more bad things than good about them.

It doesn't matter to me if somebody likes them or not but don't try to represent them as one thing and not be able to back it up. That would like a vendor trying to sell me an unbanded box-pressed cigar and telling me it's a Padron, don't worry about it.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

That would like a vendor trying to sell me an unbanded box-pressed cigar and telling me it's a Padron, don't worry about it.

No, it would be like a vendor telling you their house rolls were Nicaraguan tobacco, but with no evidence that it isn't really Dominican.....

[forgop]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

I am not sure that is what Carlos is saying. I take it that he is wondering why they are being represented as Cuban cigars when nobody can verify it and you hear more bad things than good about them.

It doesn't matter to me if somebody likes them or not but don't try to represent them as one thing and not be able to back it up. That would like a vendor trying to sell me an unbanded box-pressed cigar and telling me it's a Padron, don't worry about it.

I'm more of the belief that if they are indeed 100% cuban tobacco, if the Johnny-O! himself ever truly revealed the exact means of how this is done, doesn't it put him at risk of having his operation at risk? Would you jeopardize letting the means used to bring the tobacco here getting into the wrong hands?

I really don't think he's rolling enough cigars to be living the high life by any means.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Blueface

I think they are about as Cuban as Al Pacino playing Tony Montana.

Chu want to go to war, Mang? Chu better watch it, cockaroach.