Trade value??

[Da Klugs]

It's the unspoken underlying issue that touches the "accountant" that lives to some varying extent inside all of us. Each of us knows what we know. Over time we learn more. Different levels of knowledge and access differences create huge variances in "value" and what is actually paid for certain things. The vast majority of times you see members actions in trades, PIF's etc in the light of "pay it forward". It's just the brotherly way. We leave things better than we find them. Occasionally you see otherwise. Many times it's a case of just not knowing. Rarely, it's something else and it gets worked out one way or another. Best advice is, when in doubt ask and when there is no doubt, take note.

It's also important to understand that many things change radically in price over time in both directions. There are cigars that cost $ 140 a box, 9 months ago that are $ 75 today. It's also a weird period of time with the 60-70 percent sale stuff. Has not really happened in the past and unless another big distributor goes belly up, won't happen again.

[bigloo]

Generally I dont look at MSRP for NC. Instead I use average chimp and current CI/famous/JR/etc prices to determine value. MSRP is dangerous. No one on the board pays MSRP so value should be what people pay. Rare cigars, extremely hard to find, etc, all have more true value. Finally, the final check, ask yourself "would I feel screwed". If you feel you would be satisfied, then you should be good.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

The vast majority of times you see members actions in trades, PIF's etc in the light of "pay it forward". It's just the brotherly way. We leave things better than we find them.

Pretty much sums up 95%+ of what I have seen. I don't worry about "equal value", I try to make the next guy in the pass or Pif smile.

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Pretty much sums up 95%+ of what I have seen. I don't worry about "equal value", I try to make the next guy in the pass or Pif smile.

I agree with you on making the next guy smile. And I feel it's always best to be the more generous member.

Originally Posted by bigloo

Generally I dont look at MSRP for NC. Instead I use average chimp and current CI/famous/JR/etc prices to determine value. MSRP is dangerous. No one on the board pays MSRP so value should be what people pay. Rare cigars, extremely hard to find, etc, all have more true value. Finally, the final check, ask yourself "would I feel screwed". If you feel you would be satisfied, then you should be good.

I pay MSRP at a few shops I go to. As do many other BOTL's that I know of.

One issue for me is let's say I got a $10 cigar at $5 on a discount. Does that now mean it's trade value is $5?

On the opposite side of the coin, if I paid $20 for a $10 because of taxes, does that now make it's trade value $20?

Originally Posted by wayner123

I agree with you on making the next guy smile. And I feel it's always best to be the more generous member.



I pay MSRP at a few shops I go to. As do many other BOTL's that I know of.

One issue for me is let's say I got a $10 cigar at $5 on a discount. Does that now mean it's trade value is $5?

On the opposite side of the coin, if I paid $20 for a $10 because of taxes, does that now make it's trade value $20?

My is no and no.

Way to much work and stress to figure this all out.

You got a deal good for you. I'm not going to say to you, "hey Wayne I know you got that on sale for 50% off so send two".
You pay higher taxes, oh well. I don't know tax rates in each state and really don't care to. (What is the tax rate in NJ? )

A trade to me is agreed upon before cigars are in transit. Both sides feel it is a good trade or no trade happens.

As for a pass, that's a little harder. 99.999999% of the people here will make an honest effort to be close in their takes and putts. The ones that don't won't last long anyway.

This is supposed to be fun not work as far as I'm concerned.

[ucla695]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Pretty much sums up 95%+ of what I have seen. I don't worry about "equal value", I try to make the next guy in the pass or Pif smile.

Well said and exactly how I trade!!

[wayner123]

Anyone else have an opinion on the matter??

[LasciviousXXX]

Originally Posted by wayner123

Anyone else have an opinion on the matter??

Was there anyone opinion in particular you were looking for? There are tons of great thoughts above IMO

I will have to say I agree with all the guys above.

Originally Posted by wayner123

Anyone else have an opinion on the matter??

An opinion well they are like................. so everyone has one.

I say simply don't sweat it. In the grand scheme of things the negative energy you create for yourself in worrying whether what the last guy did was "fair" or not ruins the potential for you to enjoy a trade or MAW for what it is an opportunity for you to share something you have with someone you think will enjoy it.

I send out a bomb or two and do lots of trades my expectation is simple, that the person I am sending too will enjoy what I send and hopefully think of what I might like in return. It isn't about volume, price, or any other commercial measure to me. I get all my value in smiles, if I have brightened a day nothing you can send me in a box has more value than that.

[icehog3]

A friend of one became involved in a pass on another Cigar Forum, the first big pass they had ever been involved in.

The starter of the pass, along with his toadies, had to approve all puts and takes before the box could be sent. When the pass came to my friend, they were totally stressed out about their puts and takes. My experience with passes had come almost exclusively with Club Stogie, so I couldn't understand how this pass was so stressful for my friend.

I went over and helped them with puts and takes. And then it began. "They say that the Fuente Anejo doesn't match up exactly with the Tatuaje West Coast". ...."Now they say that the Padron 1964 doesn't have the same value as a whatever". My friend was completely frazzled, and I was pis$ed off at a group of cigar people I don't even know.

Like Al said earlier in the thread, this is supposed to be fun. Err on the side of giving better "value" if you don't want to be stressed, but bottom line....If you (generic "you", not singling anyone out) are all worked up about getting/giving value to the point where it takes the fun out of it, then maybe passes and Pifs aren't for you.

[massphatness]

I'm in general agreement with Shawn, Al, Tom and others about just chillaxin' and not getting worked up over a pass. I try to keep my house in order. When I go to bed at night, I sleep well. When I wake up in the morning, I have no problem looking myself in the eye.

I'm posting only 'cuz I love Tom's use of the word "toadies".

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

The vast majority of times you see members actions in trades, PIF's etc in the light of "pay it forward". It's just the brotherly way. We leave things better than we find them. .

I agree somewhat with that statement. But it can't always be that way. I mean if it was, by the end of the pass everyone would be PIF'ing 1942's or the like. So does it fall on someone to be the degrader?? That's why being close to value helps in these PIF's, trades, etc. One on One trading I can understand being the most generous, but the way the PIF, MAW, and TAW threads are set up it is best to get close to value.

[TOB9595]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

It's the unspoken underlying issue that touches the "accountant" that lives to some varying extent inside all of us. Each of us knows what we know. Over time we learn more. Different levels of knowledge and access differences create huge variances in "value" and what is actually paid for certain things. The vast majority of times you see members actions in trades, PIF's etc in the light of "pay it forward". It's just the brotherly way. We leave things better than we find them. Occasionally you see otherwise. Many times it's a case of just not knowing. Rarely, it's something else and it gets worked out one way or another. Best advice is, when in doubt ask and when there is no doubt, take note.

It's also important to understand that many things change radically in price over time in both directions. There are cigars that cost $ 140 a box, 9 months ago that are $ 75 today. It's also a weird period of time with the 60-70 percent sale stuff. Has not really happened in the past and unless another big distributor goes belly up, won't happen again.

I think DK sums up the spirit..leave it better than it came...and the value..there is an accountant in all of us..

Well expressed.
Youse other guys stated well also...
I simply don't have original ideas and use others ideas

hahahahaha

Tom