So what's the line on Farve retiring for good mid-season?

[pektel]

I was disappointed with last night's game. They should not take this long to find a groove. Our defense is STELLAR. Holding the Jets to ZERO TD's with how long they held the football? But the Jets did tame Jared Allen.

Running game is decent.

Percy Harvin + Moss + Rice would be a real contender.

Are all the pieces there? Yep. Just need to put them together. My .02.

I have NO idea why they didn't put Moss in motion ONCE.

Originally Posted by pektel

I was disappointed with last night's game. They should not take this long to find a groove. Our defense is STELLAR. Holding the Jets to ZERO TD's with how long they held the football? But the Jets did tame Jared Allen.

Running game is decent.

Percy Harvin + Moss + Rice would be a real contender.

Are all the pieces there? Yep. Just need to put them together. My .02.

I have NO idea why they didn't put Moss in motion ONCE.

You know why they may not be able to get all the pieces to work well together? COACHING!!! I have said it hundreds of times that Chili as a head coach will NOT get them the rings they want. Frazier as HC might. They decisions and playcalling and gameplan pretty much suck from week to week.

The running game is better than decent...they just don't run enough. AP has only 18 carries in a game where it was a slog fest in the first half? Are you f'in kidding me? Run your horse!!! He's one of the top 2 backs in the game! Use the running game to open up the passing game!

As for the D, I'll borrow a take that I've heard...Allen disappears against the top tackles. Ferguson essentially ate him up last night. He will terrorize the weaker tackles, but the best of the best have very little trouble with him it seems. I'd expect him to be able to beat one of them occasionally. However, he DOES make plays down the line and has chased things down from the backside, so I won't completely rake him over the coals on this one. But for the kind of $ he's making and his reputation...

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

Agreed, hell, Moss only had three days to get some limited knowledge of the offense. He's never worked in a west coast offense, it'll take some time.

[pektel]

Originally Posted by Wanger

You know why they may not be able to get all the pieces to work well together? COACHING!!! I have said it hundreds of times that Chili as a head coach will NOT get them the rings they want. Frazier as HC might. They decisions and playcalling and gameplan pretty much suck from week to week.

The running game is better than decent...they just don't run enough. AP has only 18 carries in a game where it was a slog fest in the first half? Are you f'in kidding me? Run your horse!!! He's one of the top 2 backs in the game! Use the running game to open up the passing game!

As for the D, I'll borrow a take that I've heard...Allen disappears against the top tackles. Ferguson essentially ate him up last night. He will terrorize the weaker tackles, but the best of the best have very little trouble with him it seems. I'd expect him to be able to beat one of them occasionally. However, he DOES make plays down the line and has chased things down from the backside, so I won't completely rake him over the coals on this one. But for the kind of $ he's making and his reputation...

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

Agree completely. I was understating the "decent" running game lol. And I agree that the largest area for improvement is the coaching.

As far as Moss, I think he's a great receiver, and just don't like to see him used as a decoy. I get the idea behind it, though. Obviously, as the case was with the Harvin TD pass.

Originally Posted by Volusianator

Agreed, hell, Moss only had three days to get some limited knowledge of the offense. He's never worked in a west coast offense, it'll take some time.

Agreed. For some reason I completely dismissed the fact that he had so little time to learn new plays/strategies.

Originally Posted by pektel

As far as Moss, I think he's a great receiver, and just don't like to see him used as a decoy. I get the idea behind it, though. Obviously, as the case was with the Harvin TD pass.

Well...against many other teams when running that play, it won't be a simple decoy. He can and WILL be open deep on that route, but if the defense can actually take it away from them (as NY did on that particular play), then Harvin underneath (or Shiancoe) is the money route. Sometimes you gotta design plays to clear areas for other players, like that one, and depending on how it's play, what you expect to be covered may actually be open. That's the beauty of having a player like Moss. And with how many times they tried to actually throw to him on the "go" route, I didn't see him being a decoy all that often.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Well...against many other teams when running that play, it won't be a simple decoy. He can and WILL be open deep on that route, but if the defense can actually take it away from them (as NY did on that particular play), then Harvin underneath (or Shiancoe) is the money route. Sometimes you gotta design plays to clear areas for other players, like that one, and depending on how it's play, what you expect to be covered may actually be open. That's the beauty of having a player like Moss. And with how many times they tried to actually throw to him on the "go" route, I didn't see him being a decoy all that often.

100% in agreement. Favre threw to Moss plenty, but Cromartie covered him like a warm blanket. Moss drawing double coverage is just as good as Moss catching the ball. Shianco is a freakin' stud and will benefit from Randy being on the team.