The 5 stick problem

[Navydoc]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

these have been authenticated by:
1. the managing director of these establishments:
C.Gars Ltd (London and Norfolk)
Modern,Vintage and Rare Havana Cigar Specialists

La Casa Del Habano-Hamburg

Turmeaus Tobacconist Est. 1817 (Liverpool and Chester)

Robert Graham Ltd Est. 1874 ( Glasgow ,Edinburgh and London)

2. Paul Palmer

3. Jeff Borysiewicz

You are aware that these highlighted establishments are all owned by the same guy: Mitchel Orchant. I have no idea who the others references are. Maybe you can enlighten me.

Originally Posted by Navydoc

You are aware that these highlighted establishments are all owned by the same guy: Mitchel Orchant. I have no idea who the others references are. Maybe you can enlighten me.

1. yes, i'm aware
2. paul palmer=tabacalera tropical
3. jeff borysiewicz=corona cigar company

[SmokeyMo]

Guys

I think some simple clarification is needed here:

1/ photos of cigars were sent to me a few weeks ago.they were humungous files and exceptionally unclear

2/I suggested post the said box of cigars to me for authentication which was not done

3/Anything that says Clube on Davidoff is counterfeit

Best

MItchell

[icehog3]

Thank you for the clarification, Mitchell.

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

1. yes, i'm aware
2. paul palmer=tabacalera tropical
3. jeff borysiewicz=corona cigar company

Corona Cigars of Orlando?

I can't say for sure I've talked to Jeff, but I've talked to a dozen of their employees in the last few years during family and business trips and nothing about those conversations has lead me to believe I've encountered any cuban expertise in any of those shops.

[jkim05]

Originally Posted by SmokeyMo

Guys

I think some simple clarification is needed here:

1/ photos of cigars were sent to me a few weeks ago.they were humungous files and exceptionally unclear

2/I suggested post the said box of cigars to me for authentication which was not done

3/Anything that says Clube on Davidoff is counterfeit

Best

MItchell

I think this closes the case file on these.

[elderboy02]

Tatuaje Boris
Tatuaje Black
Bolivar Corona Extra (Cuban)
Don Pepin Garcia Cuban Classic
Oliva V

MO, I sent this exact photo to you. How is it any more clear now than it was then?
and why would i SEND you my cigars for authentication? maybe instead i should package up a few hundred dollar bills for you to authenticate?

Addiction, the knowledge of the staff is irrelevant as I stated JEFF spoke for the cigars.

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

MO, I sent this exact photo to you. How is it any more clear now than it was then?
and why would i SEND you my cigars for authentication? maybe instead i should package up a few hundred dollar bills for you to authenticate?

Addiction, the knowledge of the staff is irrelevant as I stated JEFF spoke for the cigars.

What makes Jeff an expert? If Mo had spoken for them, as you previously indicated, that would be meaningful. But I could show that photo to Gary Pesh, managing partner of Olde Virginia Tobacco which is either the 3rd or 4th largest chain in the US and he's been in the business over 20 years. However he'd readily admit he has no information in these circles.

Being in the business doesn't indicate he has any insight into the legitmatacy or provenence of this box.

this is a quote from a series of e-mails between Mitchell and myself. "As far as I can tell from your rather awful photography skills (!) the cigars look authentic."

Jeff sells a multitude of Pre-embargo cigars which he must prove to the US GOVERNMENT their provenAnce. Maybe you can check his credentials with the BATF?

[LooseCard]

Okay, back on topic....

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

OK, the problem is your limitations.

I go to a pastor's conference for 4 days - will probably be able to smoke 3 cigars - so I bring a dozen.

I'd have to agree. I go to the Local hangout to smoke a couple, and bring 5 or 6 in a ziplock baggie.


Otherwise, I'd have to go to storage and select 5 random sticks.
Every smoke is special, and so is day I enjoy it.



Shortly after an online-friend died, I decided to never 'save it' for a special occasion. That day may not come before I go.

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

this is a quote from a series of e-mails between Mitchell and myself. "As far as I can tell from your rather awful photography skills (!) the cigars look authentic."

Jeff sells a multitude of Pre-embargo cigars which he must prove to the US GOVERNMENT their provenAnce. Maybe you can check his credentials with the BATF?

If I scroll up it appears that Mitchell himself believes the two of you had a completely different conversation.

Jeff can buy his preembargos at a Christies auction or from Mo. Both would provide you everything needed to prove you had pre-embargo cigars. Using either source does not make you an expert. In fact I'd say that if its not a case (as with Mo) that you recall one thing and he recalls another the fact that Mo, a well recognized expert believes the box not to be legitamate may be a clear indicator of Jeff's lack of expertise.

Also did a flip through of the MRN and no mention of them there.

Hope they didnt set up back to much more than the NCs they might be.

[kugie]

Originally Posted by Tripp

I'd bring 5 T110's without question if I had plenty.

In real life... a chapo like a Fumadores, a Tatuaje J21, a DPG black lonsdale, DPG Blue Toro, and a Tatuaje Especiale.

Yeah, I'm a Pepin whore.

you argue like my gf. there are no other possibilities other than what you say is correct. in which case i must be a huge liar. so i'll respond to you the same way, "you're right, honey."
the cigars were given to me. but thanks for your consideration.

You debate like you have a complex. I never said you were a huge liar, or any liar actually. I simply disagreed with your supposition that a particular source should be considered an expert witness.

Tho given you cite MO as a source of verification and he shows up and and calls bullshit I could understand why you might think I think your a huge liar.

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

you argue like my gf. there are no other possibilities other than what you say is correct. in which case i must be a huge liar. so i'll respond to you the same way, "you're right, honey."
the cigars were given to me. but thanks for your consideration.

Nobody thinks you are a liar, just misinformed and duped into thinking you got the real thing. It smarts when that happens and it's happened to many, many of us. It was a gift and, if the original owner didn't know, it's the thought that counts.



On topic, if I had a second choice of 5, I would choose:

JL Corona
Bolivar lonsdale
RG Slenderella
Tat Especiales
Cabaiguan Coronas Extra

[jkim05]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

this is a quote from a series of e-mails between Mitchell and myself. "As far as I can tell from your rather awful photography skills (!) the cigars look authentic."

Jeff sells a multitude of Pre-embargo cigars which he must prove to the US GOVERNMENT their provenAnce. Maybe you can check his credentials with the BATF?

Well, at this point it doesn't matter what Mitchell said before since he came to this thread and stated his opinion clearly. He didn't say whether the cigars looked authentic or not, he stated that any box of Davidoff's that says "clube" on it is definitely fake. Are you suggesting he's changing his opinion based on the statements of others here? Why are you questioning his credibility if you wanted to use him as a reference to validate your cigars in the first place? Nobody is calling you a liar here, they are just pointing out facts that are not adding up.

Also, Davidoff is a post-embargo brand established in 1969, so no US vendor would be doing any sales of Cuban Davidoffs, therefore to suggest that they are familiar with those cigars based on sales of pre-embargo cigars is moot. We're not questioning your honesty nor that of whoever you got the cigars from, but unless you can demonstrate to us provenance and where they originated from, at this point the cigars look dubious at best.

back to where this started:
the cigars are not fictional. they may be counterfeit, and even still, i'm gonna smoke 'em. but not fictional.
i have no desire to show provenance here, because i'm not trying to sell them.

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by MedicCook

I'm traveling with these guy's.

Me too Ryan!!

[poker]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

back to where this started:
the cigars are not fictional. they may be counterfeit, and even still, i'm gonna smoke 'em. but not fictional.
i have no desire to show provenance here, because i'm not trying to sell them.

I think we all know that. What everyones saying is just that they are not what they are puported to be or portrayed to be.