Tour de France 2011

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by Noodles

Contador is still there and so are the majority of top professional racers. Everyone dopes one way or another.

It depends on what you call dope. I think most riders are clean nowadays, with all the tests. But then again, they are on a special diet to preform better, isn't that doping too?

And what if they all take it, if they all use doping it isn't cheating anymore right? They still have to train and have to have skills. You can dope me up with the best stuff in the world, it would still take me 3 days to climb the Alpe 'd Huez.

[Noodles]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

It depends on what you call dope. I think most riders are clean nowadays, with all the tests. But then again, they are on a special diet to preform better, isn't that doping too?

And what if they all take it, if they all use doping it isn't cheating anymore right? They still have to train and have to have skills. You can dope me up with the best stuff in the world, it would still take me 3 days to climb the Alpe 'd Huez.

You can say the same thing about Armstrong. Majority of the pro were doping at that time. He is just better than everyone else. Access to better resources, a great supporting cast and that "attitude" that everyone hates about him, contributed to all those wins.

[tsolomon]

The taking of performance enhancing drugs is still a problem in most professional sports including baseball, football and track, but cycling seems to get the most notoriety about it.

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by Noodles

You can say the same thing about Armstrong. Majority of the pro were doping at that time. He is just better than everyone else. Access to better resources, a great supporting cast and that "attitude" that everyone hates about him, contributed to all those wins.

hey, I am an Armstrong fan, I was just joking around as he's the most suspected but never caught cyclist ever.

[Noodles]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

hey, I am an Armstrong fan, I was just joking around as he's the most suspected but never caught cyclist ever.

And I'm not. But saying Contador clean is so naive. Tainted meat? Sounds like a **** movie.

[E.J.]

Originally Posted by Don Fernando

I think most riders are clean nowadays, with all the tests.

But you called the rider that has tested more than any rider in the history of the sport and never officially tested positive, a doper?


I would prefer that this thread not turn into a dopers forum.... I think everyone could probably agree that every athlete in the sport has pushed the limits of what is "legal"....

When they are caught going over the edge, there is a price to pay.... (or you have the Spanish Cycling Federation declare you eligible, getting you another GT and then wait for the CAS to call you a doper.... )