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[The Poet]

Thanks for the update, John. For Ortiz to go so postal over a single RBI, and for a decision made by his home scorekeeper no less, coupled with his "fight" on the field a month back, does not bode well for his mental and emotional stability.

Last year, when he got off to such a slow start and was being bashed by the fans and Boston press, he was correct to point out that they were wrong to jump to conclusions based upon a dozen games . . . even if his attitude then was perhaps overly aggressive. But this kind of crap is simply that . . . crap.

Oh, and to address your earlier query re A-Rod, I only refrained for the same reason I have not posted about the reported "recruiting violation" of Coach K down at Duke: namely, because I was awaiting more facts before expressing any judgement. But to make one thing clear, let me state emphatically that, if A-Rod did something MLB told him not to do, be it illegal or just merely foolish, and he never plays another game for the Yankees or for anyone else due to this, I have absolutely no problem at all with that. Baseball, the Yankees, and I shall all survive with or without A-Rod.

[Bruins Fan]

It must be roid rage with Ortiz? The guy pisses and moans about everything,The Sox over paid him about 6 million this year,and he is already whining about a contract for next year,he will probably wind up in pinstripes next year?

[The Poet]

Papi in pinstripes? Ehhh, I can't see it, though who knows? After all, the Yankee fans hate Ortiz no more than they hated Clemens . . . or A-Rod, for that matter. One must confess his lefty power would suit the Short Porch to a T.

[BigAsh]

Originally Posted by The Poet

Thanks for the update, John. For Ortiz to go so postal over a single RBI, and for a decision made by his home scorekeeper no less, coupled with his "fight" on the field a month back, does not bode well for his mental and emotional stability.

Last year, when he got off to such a slow start and was being bashed by the fans and Boston press, he was correct to point out that they were wrong to jump to conclusions based upon a dozen games . . . even if his attitude then was perhaps overly aggressive. But this kind of crap is simply that . . . crap.

Oh, and to address your earlier query re A-Rod, I only refrained for the same reason I have not posted about the reported "recruiting violation" of Coach K down at Duke: namely, because I was awaiting more facts before expressing any judgement. But to make one thing clear, let me state emphatically that, if A-Rod did something MLB told him not to do, be it illegal or just merely foolish, and he never plays another game for the Yankees or for anyone else due to this, I have absolutely no problem at all with that. Baseball, the Yankees, and I shall all survive with or without A-Rod.

Agreed Thomas....is A-Rod really "relevant" anymore?

[massphatness]

Keeping my fingers crossed for no rain today cuz I gots tickets!!

[Subvet642]

Geez, an awful lot of hatin' on a guy that, without whom we would not have won the WS in '04 and '07. So he lost his temper a little bit, who hasn't? Personally, I'd rather have a player who gives a damn enough to fight and scrape for every run, hit and RBI, instead of a dishrag who doesn't friggin' care.



Besides, how many of us has actually built a hospital?

[MedicCook]

Originally Posted by massphatness

Keeping my fingers crossed for no rain today cuz I gots tickets!!

Have a good time Vin. Go Yankees.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Geez, an awful lot of hatin' on a guy that, without whom we would not have won the WS in '04 and '07. So he lost his temper a little bit, who hasn't? Personally, I'd rather have a player who gives a damn enough to fight and scrape for every run, hit and RBI, instead of a dishrag who doesn't friggin' care.

I'll grant your point, if you grant that the Yankees would not have won in 2009 without A-Rod, and thus the same slack must be given to him.

Me, I don't see things based so totally upon what one has done for my team, yet merely point out you need take a gander at what's fair for the goose. And that's my , and worth every penny.

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by The Poet

I'll grant your point, if you grant that the Yankees would not have won in 2009 without A-Rod, and thus the same slack must be given to him.

Me, I don't see things based so totally upon what one has done for my team, yet merely point out you need take a gander at what's fair for the goose. And that's my , and worth every penny.

I hear what you're sayin'. Of course, I wouldn't expect any Yankees fan to like any Red Sock; I'm talking about Red Sox fans raggin' on a Red Sox player who has done so much for the team and in the community.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

I hear what you're sayin'. Of course, I wouldn't expect any Yankees fan to like any Red Sock; I'm talking about Red Sox fans raggin' on a Red Sox player who has done so much for the team and in the community.

Yeah, I got your point from the get-go. But I would protest that, to this outsider, it seems the Boston fans have even shorter memories than do most "what have you done for me lately?" fans in other cities.

For instance, take Wade Boggs. He was one of your best players for, what, ten years? He helped you to the '86 Series, and it wasn't HIM who booted Mookie's ball. Then the management decided he was done, and cut him loose. Boggs thought he still had game, so signed with the Yankees . . . AND WAS SOUNDLY BOOED WHEN HE RETURNED TO FENWAY! OK, so maybe he wouldn't have been had he not been in Pinstripes, but was that his fault?

No doubt it was all the sweeter for him when he climbed on that horse in The Bronx, however.

[massphatness]

For a Sox fan, jumping ship directly to the Yankees is like the Blue going over to the Gray.
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[The Poet]

Originally Posted by massphatness

For a Sox fan, jumping ship directly to the Yankees is like the Blue going over to the Gray.
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But Boggs didn't jump ship. He was thrown overboard, and was offered a lifeline. Do you expect he should have swam for shore, then opened a used-car dealership instead, out of a loyalty he himself had not been granted?

[massphatness]

To a Red sox fans way of thinking, he should have signed with the Royals
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[Bruins Fan]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

I hear what you're sayin'. Of course, I wouldn't expect any Yankees fan to like any Red Sock; I'm talking about Red Sox fans raggin' on a Red Sox player who has done so much for the team and in the community.

Me I can't stand cry baby whiners, it's not about what you done in the past it's about know.
Ortiz is not a ball player he is a DH,I would have cut him lose last season.
I would like to see him pull his antics against, Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, or Pedro.

[taltos]

Originally Posted by Subvet642

Geez, an awful lot of hatin' on a guy that, without whom we would not have won the WS in '04 and '07. So he lost his temper a little bit, who hasn't? Personally, I'd rather have a player who gives a damn enough to fight and scrape for every run, hit and RBI, instead of a dishrag who doesn't friggin' care.



Besides, how many of us has actually built a hospital?

I am a fan of Ortiz but if you watch him after every called third strike, he could be tossed out of the game. He is a chronic complainer and is eventually going to piss off every umpire in the game. He needs to get his emotions under control. To be fair, Youk has the same problem and could have cost us a game last week when he got tossed.

[Angry_Pirate]

Hoping NY goes down tonight and the Red Sox take get first place!!

[tupacboy]

great game... sox coming though in a clutch... first place!!

[massphatness]

The Yankee brass has to be concerned that the Sox seem to have CC's number, and their success against Rivera appears to be no fluke.

[jwintosh]

i see y'all are taking care of our gift to you...

[Subvet642]

Originally Posted by Bruins Fan

Me I can't stand cry baby whiners, it's not about what you done in the past it's about know.
Ortiz is not a ball player he is a DH,I would have cut him lose last season.
I would like to see him pull his antics against, Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, or Pedro.

I will have to disagree with you; I like him for what he has done, and continues to do, both on and off the field. He was at the hospital on Saturday visiting the kids, for example.

Originally Posted by taltos

I am a fan of Ortiz but if you watch him after every called third strike, he could be tossed out of the game. He is a chronic complainer and is eventually going to piss off every umpire in the game. He needs to get his emotions under control. To be fair, Youk has the same problem and could have cost us a game last week when he got tossed.

For my part, I want ball players who are emotionally as well as mentally in the game.