Bar-ware Question

12-05-2012, 05:21 PM

So I am watching the 3rd Season of Boardwalk Empire and I have noticed that those with money seem to keep their Whiskey's in Decanters rather than in the Bottle...

Is this just a status difference or does the Decanter provide any benefit to the libation itself?

Thank you for you time,

Rob

dwoodward · 12-05-2012, 05:44 PM

Probably just for aesthetics

Maybe also for privacy of your brand of choice.

Couldn't tell ya for sure. I know with wine it's for filtering... Don't really think whiskey would need to be filtered tho, unless it's fresh from your backyard radiator. lol

12-05-2012, 05:47 PM

I thought it might have something to do with aeration of the Whiskey, or perhaps the crystal (as I assume that is what they are made) adds something to the flavor...

Thanks Derrick for your input... I hadn't thought of the "privacy of your brand issue" May be a good way to store moonshine without the stigma

replicant_argent · 12-05-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

I thought it might have something to do with aeration of the Whiskey, or perhaps the crystal (as I assume that is what they are made) adds something to the flavor...

Thanks Derrick for your input... I hadn't thought of the "privacy of your brand issue" May be a good way to store moonshine without the stigma

Lead, if you use the right decanter.

If you have your whiskey or rum or wine in a barrel or cask, and don't wish to have a bottling step, you need a vessel.

pnoon · 12-05-2012, 05:55 PM

Derrick got an almost perfect score.

Crystal bottles are for show. Brand privacy could be a motivator but that varies by the individual.

Decanting wine is not for filtering. It is for aeration or oxygenation - hence the term letting a wine breathe. The process allows the wine to open up and display its full character and body. Spirits do not change with decanting/aeration.

12-05-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Derrick got an almost perfect score.

Crystal bottles are for show. Brand privacy could be a motivator but that varies by the individual.

Decanting wine is not for filtering. It is for aeration or oxygenation - hence the term letting a wine breathe. The process allows the wine to open up and display its full character and body. Spirits do not change with decanting/aeration.

I don't mean to be pedantic, just for my own knowledge, is there a difference between Aeration and oxygenation?

pnoon · 12-05-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

I don't mean to be pedantic, just for my own knowledge, is there a difference between Aeration and oxygenation?

Practically speaking, no.

12-05-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Practically speaking, no.

Good... so I am not a total ignoramus...

12-05-2012, 06:02 PM

Thanks Peter & Pete... Was just wondering if there was a reason why we don't typically see them anymore...

If you don't mind Peter, can you leave this thread open? I have a home bar and if I have any further questions I'd like to post them here... Thanks...

My next question, anyone know a good place to get cheap bar mats? Like the ones with the little pegs for spills? I know they are often given away as promotion for bars to use but if you try to buy them as an individual they typically run about 25 bucks give or take...

Maybe someone on here owns a bar and has a few they wouldn't mind getting rid of?

Thanks again Gentlemen...

bobarian · 12-05-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

Was just wondering if there was a reason why we don't typically see them anymore...

Lead leaching is the reason not to store spirits in a crystal decanter.

Wine is decanted to aerate and drunk immediately, not stored.

12-05-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Lead leaching is the reason not to store spirits in a crystal decanter.

Wine is decanted to aerate and drunk immediately, not stored.

Does all Crystal contain lead?

replicant_argent · 12-05-2012, 06:05 PM

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

12-05-2012, 06:11 PM

Thanks Pete... I often forget about the Bay... I don't have an account with them and have never done business with them... I know many people do but I guess I am a dinosaur in that regard...

dwoodward · 12-05-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

Thanks Pete... I often forget about the Bay... I don't have an account with them and have never done business with them... I know many people do but I guess I am a dinosaur in that regard...

On Ebay, you deal with other people directly, ebay is just an online marketplace that allows purchases to happen.

For another good source tho:

I've ordered lots of stuff from this website before... Check em out.

http://www.barsupplies.com/biggie-mats-p-12924.html

12-05-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dwoodward

On Ebay, you deal with other people directly, ebay is just an online marketplace that allows purchases to happen.

For another good source tho:

I've ordered lots of stuff from this website before... Check em out.

http://www.barsupplies.com/biggie-mats-p-12924.html

Awesome looking website... thanks for the reco...

bighairlogo · 12-05-2012, 06:16 PM

I got a crystal whiskey glass set and decanter I'll pick it up for you during the holidays Rob

12-05-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bighairlogo

I got a crystal whiskey glass set and decanter I'll pick it up for you during the holidays Rob

Oh Wow... Thanks Tyler... !!!!

SvilleKid · 12-05-2012, 06:33 PM

The more air space you have in a bottle of bourbon, the faster it will oxidize and go down hill. If you don't buy this fact, take your mostly empty bottle of bourbon, and let it sit for 4-6 weeks. Then try it against a fresh opened bottle of the same bourbon. You will quickly throw the old out. That is the reason it is recommended that when you near the end of a bottle of bourbon, either drink it quickly, or have some friends over to help finish it off quickly.

Because of this reaction, I usually only open and finish one bottle of bourbon at a time. And I don't storing it long-term in anything that allows more air space than necessary (this would include a decanter).

12-05-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SvilleKid

The more air space you have in a bottle of bourbon, the faster it will oxidize and go down hill. If you don't buy this fact, take your mostly empty bottle of bourbon, and let it sit for 4-6 weeks. Then try it against a fresh opened bottle of the same bourbon. You will quickly throw the old out. That is the reason it is recommended that when you near the end of a bottle of bourbon, either drink it quickly, or have some friends over to help finish it off quickly.

Because of this reaction, I usually only open and finish one bottle of bourbon at a time. And I don't storing it long-term in anything that allows more air space than necessary (this would include a decanter).

Thanks for the info Sville, and I am a fan of your Avatars as well...

so would the same go for the air in the bottle? would it then not make sense to put your sprite in whichever vessel that has less air-space?

SvilleKid · 12-05-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78

Thanks for the info Sville, and I am a fan of your Avatars as well...

so would the same go for the air in the bottle? would it then not make sense to put your sprite in whichever vessel that has less air-space?

It would make sense to me. I think some bottlers flush their bottles with a heavy gas before filling, so there is minimal oxygen in the "dead" space until the bottle is opened. I drink slowly, and can take many months to finish a bottle of bourbon. People that consume faster probably have little to worry about.

An interesting discussion on leaded decanters is here:

http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/mai...ad-crystal.asp

I was surprised at how fast the lead can leech into the drink!

12-05-2012, 05:21 PM	#1
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Bar-ware Question So I am watching the 3rd Season of Boardwalk Empire and I have noticed that those with money seem to keep their Whiskey's in Decanters rather than in the Bottle... Is this just a status difference or does the Decanter provide any benefit to the libation itself? Thank you for you time, Rob

12-05-2012, 05:44 PM	#2
dwoodward Gentlemen, you may smoke! Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Derrick Location: South Dakota Posts: 1,868 Trading: (26)	Re: Bar-ware Question Probably just for aesthetics Maybe also for privacy of your brand of choice. Couldn't tell ya for sure. I know with wine it's for filtering... Don't really think whiskey would need to be filtered tho, unless it's fresh from your backyard radiator. lol

12-05-2012, 05:47 PM	#3
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bar-ware Question I thought it might have something to do with aeration of the Whiskey, or perhaps the crystal (as I assume that is what they are made) adds something to the flavor... Thanks Derrick for your input... I hadn't thought of the "privacy of your brand issue" May be a good way to store moonshine without the stigma

12-05-2012, 05:55 PM	#5
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Bar-ware Question Derrick got an almost perfect score. Crystal bottles are for show. Brand privacy could be a motivator but that varies by the individual. Decanting wine is not for filtering. It is for aeration or oxygenation - hence the term letting a wine breathe. The process allows the wine to open up and display its full character and body. Spirits do not change with decanting/aeration. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

12-05-2012, 06:02 PM	#9
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bar-ware Question Thanks Peter & Pete... Was just wondering if there was a reason why we don't typically see them anymore... If you don't mind Peter, can you leave this thread open? I have a home bar and if I have any further questions I'd like to post them here... Thanks... My next question, anyone know a good place to get cheap bar mats? Like the ones with the little pegs for spills? I know they are often given away as promotion for bars to use but if you try to buy them as an individual they typically run about 25 bucks give or take... Maybe someone on here owns a bar and has a few they wouldn't mind getting rid of? Thanks again Gentlemen...

12-05-2012, 06:05 PM	#12
replicant_argent Gravy Boat Winnah. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Pete Location: my attorney has advised against giving this information to insane people Posts: 5,326 Trading: (22)	Re: Bar-ware Question http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40 __________________ www.stogietorch.com Some days call for a stiff Pomade.

12-05-2012, 06:11 PM	#13
Robulous78 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bar-ware Question Thanks Pete... I often forget about the Bay... I don't have an account with them and have never done business with them... I know many people do but I guess I am a dinosaur in that regard...

12-05-2012, 06:16 PM	#16
bighairlogo Feeling at Home Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 552 Trading: (34)	Re: Bar-ware Question I got a crystal whiskey glass set and decanter I'll pick it up for you during the holidays Rob

12-05-2012, 06:33 PM	#18
SvilleKid Yes I am a Pirate Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 33°46′08″N 86°28′16″W / 33.76895°N 86.471037°W Posts: 2,776 Trading: (52)	Re: Bar-ware Question The more air space you have in a bottle of bourbon, the faster it will oxidize and go down hill. If you don't buy this fact, take your mostly empty bottle of bourbon, and let it sit for 4-6 weeks. Then try it against a fresh opened bottle of the same bourbon. You will quickly throw the old out. That is the reason it is recommended that when you near the end of a bottle of bourbon, either drink it quickly, or have some friends over to help finish it off quickly. Because of this reaction, I usually only open and finish one bottle of bourbon at a time. And I don't storing it long-term in anything that allows more air space than necessary (this would include a decanter). __________________ Ceilin' fan it stirs the air, Cigar smoke does swirl. The fragrance on the pillow case, and he thinks about the girl. Thanks, JB, 1975.