Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor?

nomadicwookie · 04-25-2010, 05:43 PM

I've never smoked the same cigar with a different wrapper before so I don't have a comparison. It's got do be something like 99% of the tobacco in a cigar is the filler though. How is it that such a small amount of tobacco contributes to the bulk of the flavor?

JJG · 04-25-2010, 05:58 PM

personally I don't believe it to be true.

anyone want to experiment? light two identical cigars at the same time, with and without wrapper?

tomc3084 · 04-25-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JJG

personally I don't believe it to be true.

anyone want to experiment? light two identical cigars at the same time, with and without wrapper?

Wow , that is actually a great Idea....I am going to do this sometime in the near future....Ill post it here

Fumes · 04-26-2010, 12:01 AM

Yes, maybe. I don't know about 60%... might be 59.95 on sale. But the difference is statistically significant, I believe. The 1495 Connoisseur pack is a great way to experiment. None of them are better than the EcSu that the 1495 normally has, but they're all good.

04-27-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tomc3084

Wow , that is actually a great Idea....I am going to do this sometime in the near future....Ill post it here

Went to the CAO LX2 "tasting" event last year-fascinating! They provided us with tasting kits-three separate small cigars made entirely of a single one of the types of tobacco in the LX2, then a fourth with all three in the blend. Interesting how different the tobaccos were before the blend.

I wouldn't mind going to something like that again.

cjf

maninblack · 04-25-2010, 05:59 PM

I would but don't wanna waste a good cigar.

JJG · 04-25-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by maninblack

I would but don't wanna waste a good cigar.

same here, I've pretty much weeded out all the crappy cigars from my small collection and I don't have anything I'm willing to sacrifice for the sake of science.

akumushi · 04-25-2010, 06:06 PM

An in depth discussion on this topic was done here.

nomadicwookie · 04-25-2010, 06:24 PM

I can't access the link. Also I was referring to something like the same vitola in a maduro versus natural like the Padron 2000 for example. Forgive me I'm a greenhorn.

bobarian · 04-25-2010, 06:27 PM

yes

Skywalker · 04-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

yes

Bob's slogan - "Even better when it's wetter!!!"

T.G · 04-25-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nomadicwookie

I can't access the link. Also I was referring to something like the same vitola in a maduro versus natural like the Padron 2000 for example. Forgive me I'm a greenhorn.

Yes, there is a difference in flavor between two cigars with different wrappers that would otherwise be identical. Due to varying filler strengths and wrapper strengths, the amount of these flavor differences or their prominence can vary.

Padron2000's aren't expensive cigars, I suggest you pick up two identical sizes, ideally the corona so you can get some flavor off of it, one natural and one maduro, the next time you are at your B&M. Another good candidate is the Fuente 858 with a natural wrapper (cameroon) and a maduro wrapper.

Gonesledn · 04-25-2010, 06:34 PM

the LA aurora 1495 is a great example. they have numerous variety of wrappers on the same blend of cigar. every one is extremely different to my tastes.

"Sampler includes five Robusto-sized cigars. One is the traditional La Aurora 1495 blend, and the other four sticks are the same binder and filler as the 1495 with four unique wrappers not available anywhere else: Cameroon, Corojo, Brazilian Maduro and Connecticut.

"How much does a wrapper change the taste of a cigar?"

This age-old question from smokers and connoisseurs is now answered in this unprecedented assortment of La Aurora 1495 Robustos. You have the opportunity to determine how four distinctive wrappers (Connecticut, Cameroon, Brazil and Corojo) affect the same blend. Compare them to each other or to the traditional 1495, wrapped with Ecaudorian Sumatra."

http://www.bestcigarprices.com/cigar.../286-21758.htm

guado · 04-25-2010, 09:10 PM

I was about to say La Aurora. They had a "connoisseur" Collection for a while. When I saw it it was a tray with 4 cigars same filler/binder and the wrappers were different for each blend.

Apparently now its 5.

akumushi · 04-25-2010, 10:02 PM

Maybe this link will work, otherwise, just search this forum for "what a difference a wrapper makes" there's some interesting discussion on the topic in that thread already.

Mirrorlure7m · 04-25-2010, 10:04 PM

To help a little with the what I know and and have learned. It all depends on the cigar .. Some cigars the wrapper is 30% and some it is more and some less.

icehog3 · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirrorlure7m

To help a little with the what I know and and have learned. It all depends on the cigar .. Some cigars the wrapper is 30% and some it is more and some less.

Some 30%, some less than 30%, some more than 30%. I can absolutely agree with that.

akumushi · 04-25-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Some 30%, some less than 30%, some more than 30%. I can absolutely agree with that.

That about covers it.

shilala · 04-25-2010, 10:17 PM

Adam made a very good suggestion. Try a maduro Padron x000 series and a natural.
In some cigars, tne wrapper is 100% responsible for some of the flavors.
Tom is gonna LOVE that statement. :d

cort · 04-25-2010, 10:18 PM

The answer of course, is onions.

04-25-2010, 05:43 PM	#1
nomadicwookie Still Watching My Back Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 236 Trading: (7)	Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? I've never smoked the same cigar with a different wrapper before so I don't have a comparison. It's got do be something like 99% of the tobacco in a cigar is the filler though. How is it that such a small amount of tobacco contributes to the bulk of the flavor?

04-25-2010, 05:58 PM	#2
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? personally I don't believe it to be true. anyone want to experiment? light two identical cigars at the same time, with and without wrapper?

04-26-2010, 12:01 AM	#4
Fumes Not So Memorious Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Posts: 205 Trading: (0)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? Yes, maybe. I don't know about 60%... might be 59.95 on sale. But the difference is statistically significant, I believe. The 1495 Connoisseur pack is a great way to experiment. None of them are better than the EcSu that the 1495 normally has, but they're all good. __________________ It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. -A. Lincoln

04-25-2010, 05:59 PM	#6
maninblack Will smoke for food Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Kevin Location: Where the hoot owls f$ck the chickens Posts: 10,637 Trading: (80)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? I would but don't wanna waste a good cigar. __________________ Proud member of the GMCGTPWHAFA

04-25-2010, 06:06 PM	#8
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? An in depth discussion on this topic was done here. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."

04-25-2010, 06:24 PM	#9
nomadicwookie Still Watching My Back Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 236 Trading: (7)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? I can't access the link. Also I was referring to something like the same vitola in a maduro versus natural like the Padron 2000 for example. Forgive me I'm a greenhorn.

04-25-2010, 06:27 PM	#10
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? yes

04-25-2010, 06:34 PM	#13
Gonesledn making trails Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Wes Location: South Burbs Chicago Posts: 547 Trading: (31)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? the LA aurora 1495 is a great example. they have numerous variety of wrappers on the same blend of cigar. every one is extremely different to my tastes. "Sampler includes five Robusto-sized cigars. One is the traditional La Aurora 1495 blend, and the other four sticks are the same binder and filler as the 1495 with four unique wrappers not available anywhere else: Cameroon, Corojo, Brazilian Maduro and Connecticut. "How much does a wrapper change the taste of a cigar?" This age-old question from smokers and connoisseurs is now answered in this unprecedented assortment of La Aurora 1495 Robustos. You have the opportunity to determine how four distinctive wrappers (Connecticut, Cameroon, Brazil and Corojo) affect the same blend. Compare them to each other or to the traditional 1495, wrapped with Ecaudorian Sumatra." http://www.bestcigarprices.com/cigar.../286-21758.htm

04-25-2010, 09:10 PM	#14
guado OCD cigar hoarder Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 379 Trading: (4)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? I was about to say La Aurora. They had a "connoisseur" Collection for a while. When I saw it it was a tray with 4 cigars same filler/binder and the wrappers were different for each blend. Apparently now its 5. __________________

04-25-2010, 10:02 PM	#15
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? Maybe this link will work, otherwise, just search this forum for "what a difference a wrapper makes" there's some interesting discussion on the topic in that thread already. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."

04-25-2010, 10:04 PM	#16
Mirrorlure7m Twitter: @Mirrorlure7m Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Joel Location: Southwest FL Posts: 287 Trading: (9)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? To help a little with the what I know and and have learned. It all depends on the cigar .. Some cigars the wrapper is 30% and some it is more and some less.

04-25-2010, 10:17 PM	#19
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? Adam made a very good suggestion. Try a maduro Padron x000 series and a natural. In some cigars, tne wrapper is 100% responsible for some of the flavors. Tom is gonna LOVE that statement. :d __________________

04-25-2010, 10:18 PM	#20
cort ◤◢◣◥ Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Gary Posts: 4,478 Trading: (41)	Re: Does the wrapper really impart 60% of the flavor? The answer of course, is onions.