Cleveland Guardians

markem · 07-23-2021, 09:57 AM

https://www.mlb.com/indians

I didn't think that their record was so bad that they needed a new identity.

icehog3 · 07-23-2021, 09:59 AM

****ing Cancel Culture. Sorry this one rubs me wrong.

mosesbotbol · 07-27-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

****ing Cancel Culture. Sorry this one rubs me wrong.

Big time.

When are we changing the name of our country to make it more inclusive?

jonumberone · 07-23-2021, 10:21 AM

Disgusting!

The Poet · 07-23-2021, 11:19 AM

Romeo and Juliet, Act II, Scene II.

Weelok · 07-23-2021, 12:44 PM

And to add insult to injury, I think “Guardians” is a terrible name for a team. I personally think something like “The Team Formally Known As Cleveland Indians” would been more appropriate and there is legal standing on that tradition.

elderboy02 · 07-23-2021, 12:52 PM

What a dumb name.

massphatness · 07-23-2021, 01:21 PM

AdamJoshua · 07-23-2021, 01:43 PM

Yet when they ask actual Native Americans they don't give two ****s and more of them see "Indians" and "Redskins" in team names more of an honor. Well Karen wins again.

Tio Gato · 07-23-2021, 02:39 PM

Nauseating Excrement!

The Poet · 07-23-2021, 03:30 PM

In November 1993 St. John's University announced it was changing the nickname of its athletics programs from Redmen to Red Storm. Thus is COULD be argued that recent changes in Washington and Cleveland are behind the times, and that blaming it on today's "counter culture" or "Karen" phenomena is flawed, and perhaps specious. Furthermore, if it is a valid argument to state Native Americans do not care one way or the other, it should be equally valid to argue that you should not care one way or the other also.

Again, just

, and worth every penny.

Axeman · 07-23-2021, 03:59 PM

I think it is more insulting to associate Native Americans (from which I descend) with casinos and cigarettes than with sports teams. I'm ok with Celtics and Fighting Irish and Vikings and such too. I'm descended from all those.
What is it with the propensity to be offended, or even to see offense when the supposed offended see none? This offends me!

longknocker · 07-23-2021, 05:21 PM

Can't Believe It! I Guess The "Atlanta Braves" Are Next???

icehog3 · 07-24-2021, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by longknocker

Can't Believe It! I Guess The "Atlanta Braves" Are Next???

Chicago Blackhawks have already said they won't change names, and have the full support of Illinois Indian organizations.

Wharf Rat · 07-24-2021, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Chicago Blackhawks have already said they won't change names, and have the full support of Illinois Indian organizations.

Well, if the Indians were named after a heroic chief and used a handsome portrait as their logo, they might be OK. Look at it this way. If a team was called the Coons and had a caricature of a Black guy, you’d probably know it was wrong.

I went to college and lived in Cleveland for 20 years. Was big Indians fan. So, I have mixed feelings about it. I try to remember that someone whose ancestors were almost wiped out may be more sensitive about it than I am.

The Poet · 07-24-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

Well, if the Indians were named after a heroic chief and used a handsome portrait as their logo, they might be OK. Look at it this way. If a team was called the Coons and had a caricature of a Black guy, you’d probably know it was wrong.

I went to college and lived in Cleveland for 20 years. Was big Indians fan. So, I have mixed feelings about it. I try to remember that someone whose ancestors were almost wiped out may be more sensitive about it than I am.

Indeed. Hey, my high school teams were, and still are, the Indians. Would I petition they change their name? No, I would not. Would I object were they to decide to do so? No, I would not. Compared to all the REAL problems we face these days, obsession with something like this is silly. And things evolve, so people should make an effort to evolve also.

longknocker · 07-25-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by longknocker

Can't Believe It! I Guess The "Atlanta Braves" Are Next???

Here You Go:
https://www.ajc.com/sports/further-r...CUCA6UH36WY44/

oldforge · 07-24-2021, 08:34 AM

Wait until the locals figure out that "Guardians" used to be folks who guarded slaves on the slave ships....hope they wait to condemn the new name until all the new signs and other expensive refits are complete....a year would be good...

;-)

T.G · 07-24-2021, 09:00 AM

Maybe my unopened copy of "Major League" on betamax will finally be worth something now.

icehog3 · 07-24-2021, 03:16 PM

Bob, you make an interesting point.

07-23-2021, 09:57 AM	#1
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,622 Trading: (47)	Cleveland Guardians https://www.mlb.com/indians I didn't think that their record was so bad that they needed a new identity. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

07-23-2021, 09:59 AM	#2
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,295 Trading: (60)	Re: Cleveland Guardians ****ing Cancel Culture. Sorry this one rubs me wrong. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

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07-23-2021, 11:19 AM	#5
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Romeo and Juliet, Act II, Scene II. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

07-23-2021, 12:44 PM	#6
Weelok I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Jul 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,086 Trading: (21)	Re: Cleveland Guardians And to add insult to injury, I think “Guardians” is a terrible name for a team. I personally think something like “The Team Formally Known As Cleveland Indians” would been more appropriate and there is legal standing on that tradition. __________________ Drink, pray, smoke, and work out.

07-23-2021, 12:52 PM	#7
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,508 Trading: (133)	Re: Cleveland Guardians What a dumb name.

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07-23-2021, 01:43 PM	#9
AdamJoshua Article 4 Free Inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: The Other Adam Location: Satellite Beach Posts: 14,787 Trading: (40)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Yet when they ask actual Native Americans they don't give two ****s and more of them see "Indians" and "Redskins" in team names more of an honor. Well Karen wins again.

07-23-2021, 02:39 PM	#10
Tio Gato Uncle Kitty Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeff Location: Casa Grande, AZ Posts: 2,075 Trading: (11)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Nauseating Excrement! __________________ "You stink like cigars Uncle Kitty!" Said my Boo age 3. "Kid, take care of your family and the hell with anyone else" My Grandpa Bubba.

07-23-2021, 03:30 PM	#11
The Poet Il megglior fabbro Join Date: Jun 2009 First Name: Thomas Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 8,420 Trading: (2)	Re: Cleveland Guardians In November 1993 St. John's University announced it was changing the nickname of its athletics programs from Redmen to Red Storm. Thus is COULD be argued that recent changes in Washington and Cleveland are behind the times, and that blaming it on today's "counter culture" or "Karen" phenomena is flawed, and perhaps specious. Furthermore, if it is a valid argument to state Native Americans do not care one way or the other, it should be equally valid to argue that you should not care one way or the other also. Again, just , and worth every penny. __________________ Ninety percent of everything is crap - Theodore Sturgeon.

07-23-2021, 03:59 PM	#12
Axeman Still Watching My Back Join Date: Apr 2021 First Name: Lance Location: Mountains, Bay Area, CA Posts: 85 Trading: (0)	Re: Cleveland Guardians I think it is more insulting to associate Native Americans (from which I descend) with casinos and cigarettes than with sports teams. I'm ok with Celtics and Fighting Irish and Vikings and such too. I'm descended from all those. What is it with the propensity to be offended, or even to see offense when the supposed offended see none? This offends me!

07-23-2021, 05:21 PM	#13
longknocker Postwhore Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Greg Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 11,162 Trading: (82)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Can't Believe It! I Guess The "Atlanta Braves" Are Next???

07-24-2021, 08:34 AM	#18
oldforge Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Porcupine Quillage, CT Posts: 248 Trading: (0)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Wait until the locals figure out that "Guardians" used to be folks who guarded slaves on the slave ships....hope they wait to condemn the new name until all the new signs and other expensive refits are complete....a year would be good... ;-)

07-24-2021, 09:00 AM	#19
T.G Grrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: The Other Adam Posts: 15,557 Trading: (37)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Maybe my unopened copy of "Major League" on betamax will finally be worth something now.

07-24-2021, 03:16 PM	#20
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,295 Trading: (60)	Re: Cleveland Guardians Bob, you make an interesting point. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!